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Old 08-05-2007, 04:07 PM #51 (permalink)  
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Why would anyone do that? There are lots of these shortstackers out there already, good thing that many of them play pretty bad. Especially at Party it's a huge problem. The easier it is for people to find out how to play a shortstack profitably, the more of them there will be out there and the better those shortstacks will be. And then all the regular players' winrate will be lower, why would we want that...
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maybe you could just disguise it inside some boring thread no one ever reads lol...
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 PokerStars Game #11394129265: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/08/09 - 12:59:45 (ET)
Table 'Serpens IV' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Stelvask ($587 in chips)
Seat 2: heybude ($818.50 in chips)
Stelvask: posts small blind $2
heybude: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [8h 7c]
Stelvask: raises $8 to $12
heybude: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4d Tc 9s]
heybude: checks
Stelvask: bets $16
heybude: raises $32 to $48
Stelvask: calls $32
*** TURN *** [4d Tc 9s] [2c]
heybude: bets $108
Stelvask: calls $108
*** RIVER *** [4d Tc 9s 2c] [4c]
heybude: checks
Stelvask: bets $225
heybude: raises $225 to $450
Stelvask: folds
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 I know this last hand made no sense... its because i was planning on giving up on the river, and then a timing tell made me pretty sure he had a missed draw.
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I know this last hand made no sense... its because i was planning on giving up on the river, and then a timing tell made me pretty sure he had a missed draw.
what exactly was the tell?
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I know this last hand made no sense... its because i was planning on giving up on the river, and then a timing tell made me pretty sure he had a missed draw.
what exactly was the tell?
Most of the time he was getting his great hands in on the turn taking the line he took. Of course sometimes this is a T with maybe a weakish kicker or strong kicker, and sometimes its something like top set or JJ.

Considering it most of the hands he plays hes not confident hes ahead, when i checked the river intending to give up because of an aggroish image, he nearly instantly bets 2/3rds pot. I thought that with a medium hand here he actually would really have to consider whether to bet or not, but he doesnt. So I think it's either top set or a missed draw. Since there's more combos of missed draws i decide to raise.
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You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.

Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate.
I cant tell if you were being sarcastic but it made me LOL.

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Old 08-13-2007, 05:42 AM #57 (permalink)  
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You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.

Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate.
I cant tell if you were being sarcastic but it made me LOL.

Guys the secret to poker is to use bold, aggressive plays and put opponents to decisions for all their chips.
First part was a joke. Second super super serial.

I'm just really bad at shortstacking, I guess. From the looks of my results to date, I'm bad at everything but LAG. Weird.
 
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First part was a joke.
No I really do eat souls.

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Old 08-14-2007, 08:21 AM #60 (permalink)  
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You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.

Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate.
I cant tell if you were being sarcastic but it made me LOL.

Guys the secret to poker is to use bold, aggressive plays and put opponents to decisions for all their chips.
it's true.

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PokerStars Game #11454362288: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/08/12 - 19:11:16 (ET)
Table 'Sita V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: TIROMPER ($736.25 in chips)
Seat 5: vilela2255 ($184.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Lukieplaya ($418.50 in chips)
TIROMPER: posts small blind $2
vilela2255: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Kh Qh]
Lukieplaya: raises $10 to $14
TIROMPER: raises $45 to $59
vilela2255: folds
Lukieplaya: raises $359.50 to $418.50 and is all-in
TIROMPER: calls $359.50
*** FLOP *** [7d Kc 2d]
*** TURN *** [7d Kc 2d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7d Kc 2d 4d] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TIROMPER: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
Lukieplaya: shows [Kh Qh] (three of a kind, Kings)
Lukieplaya collected $840 from pot

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TIROMPER: typical play right there
TIROMPER: im gettin used 2 it
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by the way, stop the CHOO CHOO thing it's making me want to kill babies or something like that
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:06 AM #61 (permalink)  
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 Lukie, please tell me why you played that hand that way.

And I won't take CHOO CHOO LDO for an answer.
 
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:11 AM #62 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #11454362288: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/08/12 - 19:11:16 (ET)
Table 'Sita V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: TIROMPER ($736.25 in chips)
Seat 5: vilela2255 ($184.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Lukieplaya ($418.50 in chips)
TIROMPER: posts small blind $2
vilela2255: posts big blind $4
plz post in SHNL, k thx.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:03 AM #63 (permalink)  
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 I should probably post all my 2/4 inquiries in this forum since it's deader than that drifter I killed so I could get and erection. Villian was a nit variant, and I'm proud of myself for getting max value from him. Shut up.

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Hero ($398)
Button ($231.90)
SB ($228)
BB ($410.45)
UTG ($51.40)
UTG+1 ($342.20)
MP1 ($474.60)
MP2 ($236)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, Q.
2 folds, MP1 calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, MP1 calls $16.

Flop: ($46) 3, K, Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($46) 3 (2 players)
MP1 bets $24, Hero calls $24.

River: ($94) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $174

Results in white below:
MP1 has 8c 8h (two pair, eights and threes).
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Old 08-22-2007, 11:32 PM #64 (permalink)  
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 That play by opp could actually mean he's potentially a very good player.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:24 AM #65 (permalink)  
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 Maybe.

My read is that on boards like that nits either have it or are bluffing.
 
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Old 08-23-2007, 12:05 PM #66 (permalink)  
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That play by opp could actually mean he's potentially a very good player.
Why? I think he totally donkplayed the river.
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That play by opp could actually mean he's potentially a very good player.
Why? I think he totally donkplayed the river.
I think wufwugy's range is a lot of A high, and someone whos capable of vbetting that thin is pretty scary.

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Old 10-13-2007, 11:29 PM #68 (permalink)  
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MWAHA

he had $550 left on riv after he bet $500,

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Button ($1457.25)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 8.
Button raises to $30, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($60) 2, 8, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $50, Hero raises to $150, Button calls $100.

Turn: ($360) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $200, Hero calls $200.

River: ($760) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $500, Hero raises to $1458, Button folds.

Final Pot: $1760

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Hero has Ac 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $1760.
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 Wow, i dont even know how to analyze that bluff, siiiiiccckkk

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Old 10-14-2007, 01:34 AM #70 (permalink)  
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villian was 2p2 xorbie btw
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villian was 2p2 xorbie btw
idk if its justified but i have no respect for xorbie.
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MWAHA

he had $550 left on riv after he bet $500,

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Button ($1457.25)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 8.
Button raises to $30, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($60) 2, 8, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $50, Hero raises to $150, Button calls $100.

Turn: ($360) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $200, Hero calls $200.

River: ($760) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $500, Hero raises to $1458, Button folds.

Final Pot: $1760

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $1760.
shit, I just don't understand this game

what is your reasoning here? What does he have that you want to push him off that beats you and bets the river and will fold?
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he put me on a certain range after flop c/r and turn c/c

he is above average player so he is value betting strong Qx hands here, because it thinks it beats my calling range

the river c/r is so small he should think that i think hesnot folding, so he should fold hands as strong as AA here, because afterall, why would i bluff with such a small ber

ofc after showing the a8 here i cant pull too many more of these for the rest of the session
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:19 PM #75 (permalink)  
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 Gabe, I have no idea wtf you are doing here. Please share...

I like his line if he has AQ, but it's obviously bad against you
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he knew his range was ahead of my range, so he was value betting

but when i pushed riv, he has to think i cant be bluffing because its such a small raise
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he knew his range was ahead of my range, so he was value betting

but when i pushed riv, he has to think i cant be bluffing because its such a small raise
Sorry I didn't see page 2 of this thread.

Yes the river is not very hard to figure out - a reasonable attack on what seems to be thin value, but what is strange here is of course the TURN!!!???
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:36 AM #79 (permalink)  
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ha! press 111 if you remember that
was this something recent or something old
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i remember talking shit to someone alot the other night when i was drunk and crushing some dude, buti cant press 111 because dont really remember
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:26 AM #82 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J 9
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Flop: 3 T A ($160, 2 players)
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Turn: K ($420, 2 players)
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I pwned SobraoBoy at 1/2 the other day. Didn't he used to play 10/20 or something?
he played 1/2 NL back in february, then he was playing 25/50 for some time during may/june
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Mild pwnage made better b/c villain was Paul Wasicka.

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J 9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $70, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3 T A ($160, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $130, SB calls.

Turn: K ($420, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 4 ($420, 2 players)
SB bets $250, Hero raises to $950, SB folds.
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why? not everyone double barrels all their fds
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why? not everyone double barrels all their fds
Yes... but this seems like a good board to double barrel a lone FD. I guess that doesn't mean everyones gonna do it though...
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 I think your on a few levels too low. Wasicka isnt expecting zook to bluff in this spot.
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