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07-05-2006, 03:17 AM
Post subject: H@LL Makes sick riv bet at new 25/50 PS game. 28k pot.
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PokerStars Game #5457671624: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/04 - 23:03:31 (ET)
Table 'Katharina II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 7: PoorUser ($14617.50 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($24091.50 in chips)
H@££INGGOL: posts small blind $25
PoorUser: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
H@££INGGOL: raises $150 to $200
PoorUser: calls $150
*** FLOP *** [As Qs Ah]
H@££INGGOL: bets $250
PoorUser: raises $400 to $650
H@££INGGOL: raises $1050 to $1700
PoorUser: calls $1050
*** TURN *** [As Qs Ah] [Th]
H@££INGGOL: bets $2450
PoorUser: calls $2450
*** RIVER *** [As Qs Ah Th] [3c]
H@££INGGOL: bets $19741.50 and is all-in
PoorUser said, "lkdsfj;lsdakgfjkl;dfgklsdg"
<3LeeJones<3 said, " WOWO"
PoorUser thinks...
PoorUser requests time....
...3,
...2,
PoorUser: folds
H@££INGGOL collected $8699 from pot
H@££INGGOL: shows [Js 3s] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8700 | Rake $1
Board [As Qs Ah Th 3c]
Seat 7: PoorUser (button) (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL (small blind) collected ($8699)
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I knew he had that hand from the biginning. He Cought his pair on the river, so lucky !!!
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he bets 20k on the river but didnt get a call.
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What did he fold? Seems like he slowplayed something preflop..
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
What did he fold? Seems like he slowplayed something preflop..
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H@££INGGOL: shows [Js 3s] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
Flushdraw on a paired flop..
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i think user folded an ace, prob aj (ak reriases preflop).
such a tough call with top trips good kicker. ugly, ugly board.
yeah. more i think bout it, more i'm more than 50% sure he s on aj here.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
i think user folded an ace, prob aj (ak reriases preflop).
such a tough call with top trips good kicker. ugly, ugly board.
yeah. more i think bout it, more i'm more than 50% sure he s on aj here.
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folds an ace, on this board, vrs halling?
Seems like he had a more speculative hand thinking of making a heroic call.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
folds an ace, on this board, vrs halling?
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Deep money, I think going broke with Ax here is probably a mistake even against H@LL. Although it's hard to say too much about a single heads-up hand in isolation.
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gross, seeing someone do that makes me love poker more
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AJ I think is too good to lay down. I think he had A9 at best. Really, heads up he should be re-raising an Ace preflop, no?
Actually, PoorUsers play here is really awful unless he, too has a busted draw.
Maybe he was faking a big laydown. But I can't fathom what he has that he calls the flop re-raise, calls the turn, folds the blank river otherwise.
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i dunno, i think reraising a lot of hands would be a good idea, but not every time you get an ace.
I think he has a better chance of having a hand like KQ than A9 as this hand plays out.
It really begs the question if its wise to play halling 300 bb deep if you're not willing to run with a hand like A9 in this spot.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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medium pp or perhaps a Q.
i doubt he folded an ace here, its high stakes HU ffs dont they reraise good aces hu?
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PokerStars Game #5465806288: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/05 - 20:54:18 (ET)
Table 'Nemo' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: twin-caracas ($3673.80 in chips)
Seat 2: atlhooker ($6122 in chips)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL ($5522 in chips)
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster ($7651.60 in chips)
Seat 5: snake8484 ($5097 in chips)
Seat 6: PocketFire ($5887 in chips)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 ($5542 in chips)
Seat 8: hazards21 ($12945 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN ($4400 in chips)
H@££INGGOL: posts small blind $25
DuyTheMaster: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
snake8484: folds
PocketFire: folds
cefpoker22: folds
hazards21: folds
#1PEN: raises $150 to $200
twin-caracas: folds
atlhooker: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $450 to $650
DuyTheMaster: folds
#1PEN: calls $450
*** FLOP *** [6s Td Jc]
H@££INGGOL: checks
#1PEN: bets $850
H@££INGGOL: calls $850
*** TURN *** [6s Td Jc] [4d]
H@££INGGOL: checks
#1PEN: bets $2900 and is all-in
H@££INGGOL: calls $2900
*** RIVER *** [6s Td Jc 4d] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
H@££INGGOL: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
#1PEN: shows [Qc Js] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
#1PEN collected $8847 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8850 | Rake $3
Board [6s Td Jc 4d Qd]
Seat 1: twin-caracas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: atlhooker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL (small blind) showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snake8484 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PocketFire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hazards21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: #1PEN showed [Qc Js] and won ($8847) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
And the very next hand.
PokerStars Game #5465834240: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/05 - 20:56:47 (ET)
Table 'Nemo' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: twin-caracas ($3673.80 in chips)
Seat 2: atlhooker ($6122 in chips)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL ($5000 in chips)
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster ($7601.60 in chips)
Seat 5: snake8484 ($5097 in chips)
Seat 6: PocketFire ($5887 in chips)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 ($5542 in chips)
Seat 8: hazards21 ($12945 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN ($8847 in chips)
DuyTheMaster: posts small blind $25
snake8484: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
PocketFire: folds
cefpoker22: folds
hazards21: folds
#1PEN said, "sry h@ll"
#1PEN: raises $150 to $200
#1PEN said, "wp"
twin-caracas: calls $200
atlhooker: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $4800 to $5000 and is all-in
DuyTheMaster: folds
snake8484: folds
cefpoker22 said, "u made him mad"
#1PEN: calls $4800
twin-caracas: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c Qh 9s]
*** TURN *** [4c Qh 9s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qh 9s 5s] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
#1PEN: shows [Qd As] (a pair of Queens)
H@££INGGOL: mucks hand
#1PEN collected $10272 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10275 | Rake $3
Board [4c Qh 9s 5s Kc]
Seat 1: twin-caracas folded before Flop
Seat 2: atlhooker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL (button) mucked
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snake8484 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: PocketFire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hazards21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: #1PEN showed [Qd As] and won ($10272) with a pair of Queens
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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint
PokerStars Game #5465806288: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/05 - 20:54:18 (ET)
Table 'Nemo' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: twin-caracas ($3673.80 in chips)
Seat 2: atlhooker ($6122 in chips)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL ($5522 in chips)
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster ($7651.60 in chips)
Seat 5: snake8484 ($5097 in chips)
Seat 6: PocketFire ($5887 in chips)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 ($5542 in chips)
Seat 8: hazards21 ($12945 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN ($4400 in chips)
H@££INGGOL: posts small blind $25
DuyTheMaster: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
snake8484: folds
PocketFire: folds
cefpoker22: folds
hazards21: folds
#1PEN: raises $150 to $200
twin-caracas: folds
atlhooker: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $450 to $650
DuyTheMaster: folds
#1PEN: calls $450
*** FLOP *** [6s Td Jc]
H@££INGGOL: checks
#1PEN: bets $850
H@££INGGOL: calls $850
*** TURN *** [6s Td Jc] [4d]
H@££INGGOL: checks
#1PEN: bets $2900 and is all-in
H@££INGGOL: calls $2900
*** RIVER *** [6s Td Jc 4d] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
H@££INGGOL: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
#1PEN: shows [Qc Js] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
#1PEN collected $8847 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8850 | Rake $3
Board [6s Td Jc 4d Qd]
Seat 1: twin-caracas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: atlhooker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL (small blind) showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snake8484 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PocketFire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hazards21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: #1PEN showed [Qc Js] and won ($8847) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
And the very next hand.
PokerStars Game #5465834240: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/05 - 20:56:47 (ET)
Table 'Nemo' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: twin-caracas ($3673.80 in chips)
Seat 2: atlhooker ($6122 in chips)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL ($5000 in chips)
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster ($7601.60 in chips)
Seat 5: snake8484 ($5097 in chips)
Seat 6: PocketFire ($5887 in chips)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 ($5542 in chips)
Seat 8: hazards21 ($12945 in chips)
Seat 9: #1PEN ($8847 in chips)
DuyTheMaster: posts small blind $25
snake8484: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
PocketFire: folds
cefpoker22: folds
hazards21: folds
#1PEN said, "sry h@ll"
#1PEN: raises $150 to $200
#1PEN said, "wp"
twin-caracas: calls $200
atlhooker: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $4800 to $5000 and is all-in
DuyTheMaster: folds
snake8484: folds
cefpoker22 said, "u made him mad"
#1PEN: calls $4800
twin-caracas: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c Qh 9s]
*** TURN *** [4c Qh 9s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qh 9s 5s] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
#1PEN: shows [Qd As] (a pair of Queens)
H@££INGGOL: mucks hand
#1PEN collected $10272 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10275 | Rake $3
Board [4c Qh 9s 5s Kc]
Seat 1: twin-caracas folded before Flop
Seat 2: atlhooker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: H@££INGGOL (button) mucked
Seat 4: DuyTheMaster (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: snake8484 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: PocketFire folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cefpoker22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hazards21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: #1PEN showed [Qd As] and won ($10272) with a pair of Queens
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why?
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had never seen tilt-play from Holl be4. that's pretty sick.
wonder wtf he pushed with preflop
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Oh come on - who gets tilted on a 5 outer for a measly 8 grand?
He probably pushed PF with JJ.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
i dunno, i think reraising a lot of hands would be a good idea, but not every time you get an ace.
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Well, metagame and all.
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I think he has a better chance of having a hand like KQ than A9 as this hand plays out.
It really begs the question if its wise to play halling 300 bb deep if you're not willing to run with a hand like A9 in this spot.
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Certainly it's nuts to fold A9 here... I did say "at best" because with A9-A2 you could convince yourself (for 20K) that you were outkicked.
Do you think he sweats folding the river with KQ?
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for some reason it didn't occur to me that Holl might have had ak when he pushed post-badbeat.
that would suck for him.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
for some reason it didn't occur to me that Holl might have had ak when he pushed post-badbeat.
that would suck for him.
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No the river was a K. He would have won if he had that.
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k
never occured to me that I'm an unobservant retard.
sux for me.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
i dunno, i think reraising a lot of hands would be a good idea, but not every time you get an ace.
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Well, metagame and all.
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I think he has a better chance of having a hand like KQ than A9 as this hand plays out.
It really begs the question if its wise to play halling 300 bb deep if you're not willing to run with a hand like A9 in this spot.
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Certainly it's nuts to fold A9 here... I did say "at best" because with A9-A2 you could convince yourself (for 20K) that you were outkicked.
Do you think he sweats folding the river with KQ?
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Is it really that unthinkable to fold AK here? It's relatively standard at 6M/FR..
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I think people underestimate the hand quality you need to felt at 300bb deep, even heads up against a very agressive player like H@L.
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You basically need the pure nuts to call.
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I think people underestimate the hand quality you need to felt at 300bb deep, even heads up against a very agressive player like H@L.
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
You basically need the pure nuts to call.
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I'm glad you guys are saying this because when I was reading the first few posts in this thread I was thinking, "Wow, there's absolutely no way I'd call here with just AJ." You can't just say, he's very aggressive and I have a pretty good hand, so I'm calling him down. That's just playing your cards, not even making any attempt to put H@LL on a hand. People who think like that are the reason H@LL is so rich. Try to put him on a range, and if you're ahead of it, call, otherwise fold. I would imagine that his range crushes AJ here.
This post from 2+2 is about a 50-100 hand against Mahatma and it's about how to react to a super-aggressive player. I think it's one of the most helpful things I've ever read about poker.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=3175328
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Originally Posted by zenbitz
AJ I think is too good to lay down. I think he had A9 at best. Really, heads up he should be re-raising an Ace preflop, no?
Actually, PoorUsers play here is really awful unless he, too has a busted draw.
Maybe he was faking a big laydown. But I can't fathom what he has that he calls the flop re-raise, calls the turn, folds the blank river otherwise.
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How can you say that he should be raising with an Ace preflop. I usually play $25NL and $11 SnG, but surely you have to mix up your play a lot. You can't always raise with a big hand or your opponents will read you like a book. You need to mix up your play. Especially at 1 on 1. And at highstakes where you play the same people again and again.
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