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pokerroomace
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02-03-2007, 07:37 PM
Post subject: Fish at higher levels
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On Friday I took the $200 on my poker account and put it all into one game. i started playing $200NL. my poker bankroll is probably about $1000 or less. playing $200NL is way above what i'm supposed to play. Anyway, I played.
I won $300 and left. I then played a bit of $50NL lost and lost a bit. Between $50 ad $100.
I then took $350 and started playing $400NL. I had $50 left in my account. I noticed that a lot of the players had stacks of $117.60 or were buying in for $256.70. I think these were players like me that had won a bit at the lower stakes and had taken all the money on their poker accounts and started playing $400NL. The level of play seemed quite weak in general at $400NL. Anyway, I ended up winning about $325. Tonight I carried on playing $400NL, looking for tables with short stacks. I won about $225 tonight. I've now stopped playing $400NL and moved back down to $50NL with $960 in my poker account. ($400NL is way above what I can afford).
Although I only played for a very short time at $400NL - there seems to be very good value. I'm an above-average player and I know that a lot of the short stacks at 400NL are way below my ability. They're just complete fish. I think I could make a nice profit playing $400NL just by playing against the short stacks and staying away from the better players. I will obviously lose a bit to the better players but I think the amount I would gain by playing the weaker players would be more than the amount I lose.
Is $400NL really this easy? Is it possible to just go fish hunting and staying away from the better players?
BTW - I know I shouldn't be playing $400NL, it is way above what I can afford.
I was playing on pokerroom and was at the 5 handed tables. I think on somewhere like Pokerstars this would be much harder to do.
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Miffed22001
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1. Busto
2. Why dont you do the same thing at 50nl?
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FlyingSaucy
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1. busto soon indeed
2. thrill
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SH tables at Pokerroom are horrendous. From what I can tell the horrible players buy-in up to 600NL. But this is still a really bad idea. Because there is always at least one player at the table that will rape you. Plus you just need a couple hands to not go your way to lose way more money than you can afford to lose.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Renton
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you've got to be kidding
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Pokerroomace, can you even imagine the reactions of the $400 players to people like you? They know they WILL stack you, no worries - you're an underrolled, underskilled fish to them. The difference is, they'll just gain a buyin and move on; you'll lose a huge chunk of your roll and move down, hopefully having learned a lesson.
This isn't a game if you want to consistently make money. You need rocksolid discipline to go with the skills. Your posts always make you seem impatient and occasionally foolish. Do you want to do well as a poker player, or do you want to gamble? It's your prerogative, but I think it should be pretty clear what FTR's all about.
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givememyleg
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A couple years ago I had about ~$1000 roll and dabbed at some 200nl myself. It went really well actually, won a couple hundred and dove into some 400nl. It was going okay, then I got stacked twice with AA (wee) then tilted the rest off with a couple 109 sngs. Yeah, I'm not your daddy but what you did was a big no-no! Just think if the opposite happened and you lost your roll.
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pokerroomace
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yeh. i know you're all right. i'm a fool. if sum1 else did that with my br i'd think that they are massive fishes.
i've stopped playing 400NL now and gone back to 50NL.
but how strong is the level of play at 400NL on pokerroom? like i said: there are a lot of players just like me feeding the regulars at the 400NL tables.
and flying saucy is right - it is a huge rush and a huge thrill, which you don't get at 50NL (if you have my roll). and also i can't win $400 in 1 hour at 50NL. nobody how good i play or how lucky i get
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Originally Posted by pokerroomace
and flying saucy is right - it is a huge rush and a huge thrill, which you don't get at 50NL (if you have my roll). and also i can't win $400 in 1 hour at 50NL. nobody how good i play or how lucky i get
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Try losing $400 from your $1000 bankroll on a bad beat. That's an awesome rush.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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KoRnholio
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Yeah no matter how bad the players are, playing 400NL with 3 buyins you WILL go busto as soon as you hit even a hint of a downswing.
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THaC
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Try losing $1200 when ur sitting with ur whole roll at a 5/10 table AA v KK. That'll dampen your day.
Glad you had a good run while you moved up, stop before you get addicted to the money.
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well I mean 400 NL isnt that much tougher than 50 NL, but regardless you cant handle the swings. You will still go busto if you continue playing there with 2 buy-ins. 2000 NL is a lot harder than 400 NL; then you wouldnt even be anywhere near +EV if you played in that game.
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Originally Posted by pokerroomace
it is a huge rush and a huge thrill, which you don't get at 50NL (if you have my roll). and also i can't win $400 in 1 hour at 50NL. nobody how good i play or how lucky i get
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Serious, non-sarcastic answer - why not play roulette? You can win $400 in one hand - indeed you have a 48% chance of doing so if you plonk it all on red, whereas at $400NL I'd bet any money that the average player has significantly more of an edge over you.
Do you really not get a big rush when you're all in at 5oNL? When you see your stack hit three figures? I seriously am having trouble understanding you - you're not reassuring us at all. There comes a point when we have to stop advising you and allow you to become one of the people WE make our money from.
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pokerroomace
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Originally Posted by pokerroomace
it is a huge rush and a huge thrill, which you don't get at 50NL (if you have my roll). and also i can't win $400 in 1 hour at 50NL. nobody how good i play or how lucky i get
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Serious, non-sarcastic answer - why not play roulette? You can win $400 in one hand - indeed you have a 48% chance of doing so if you plonk it all on red, whereas at $400NL I'd bet any money that the average player has significantly more of an edge over you.
Do you really not get a big rush when you're all in at 5oNL? When you see your stack hit three figures? I seriously am having trouble understanding you - you're not reassuring us at all. There comes a point when we have to stop advising you and allow you to become one of the people WE make our money from. |
ahhh. harsh words biondino. i've stopped ok! and you were 100% right. i'm a kid. i just turned 18. i have the maturity of a kid. i have the patience of a kid. i do enjoy playing $50NL. and people do get rushes from playing games like roullette and blackjack (i don't though because i know i can't win). you're right that i am a complete fool and i'm lucky i didn't bust.
but in general, i do learn things from other players at this site. and it definitely has made me a better player. and i'd like to think that i've given a small bit back and that in the future (when i'm a better player) i will give a lot back.
end of discussion.
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mark, you're kind of giving me the urge to put 1k on black......
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lol pokerroom 400nl = full tilt 25nl
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I miss Pokerroom |
i can assure some things will never change 
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I miss Pokerroom |
Yeah but the variance is a bitch. On no other site have I experienced the "you called me with what?" disease as much as on Pokerroom.
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Pallebahtep
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I play the 6max at Pokeroom and I must admit I find the variance unsettling sometimes. You speak of Pokeroom as being the worst (or best) room around, I just wish I felt the same. I find it to be a topsy turvy rollercoaster kind of existence.
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seoul_child1
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where do you play?? :P
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Rondavu
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I think if some of these guys playing above their roll actually knew how much better some of the players at the table are than they, it would scare the living shit out of them.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Pallebahtep
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I am playing properly rolled and I do not subscribe to the “lets see what happens” aproach to BR management. 
I am just commenting on the effect that variance can have when you have just moved up in limits… and Pokeroom is by some accounts worse than most places.
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