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Old 01-15-2008, 06:36 AM     Post subject: few hands vs drunk-straate #1 (permalink)  
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so yea that being said he hasnt been too spewy but this might be partially due to the fact that hes running like god and i am not.

match will always be playing tricky/aggro/crazy/tough

hand 1: shove or call?

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Hero ($1000)
BB ($3805)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 8.
Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($60) J, 4, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($60) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $59, Hero calls $59.

River: ($178) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $396

hand 2:

line check?

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Hero ($1015)
Button ($2727)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 9.
Button raises to $35, Hero calls $25.

Flop: ($70) 2, Q, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($70) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $56, Button raises to $169, Hero raises to $444, Button calls $275.

River: ($958) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $536 (All-In)

hand 3:

a semibluff, might have been tilting

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Hero ($1023.50)
Button ($1590.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 2.
Button raises to $35, Hero raises to $122, Button calls $87.

Flop: ($244) 4, J, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $161, Hero raises to $901.5

hand 4: i just stuck it in cause i dont want to represent a float and have him drunkenly cr me with KQ or something which has me crushed...

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Hero ($1489.50)
BB ($3315)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, Q.
Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $150, Hero calls $120.

Flop: ($300) A, J, A (2 players)
BB bets $200, Hero calls $200.

Turn: ($700) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1139.5 (All-In)
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:35 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1) call: Your hand is basically a bluff catcher here. Now i think it's v possible he can be pulling like 80% bluffs here, but nonetheless he is going to have a bluff or the nuts the vast majority of the time, so just call.

2) I honestly don't know, once he just calls i might just check fold, he's pretty bad if he's call folding there imo. I def prefer just calling the 169 then cring when you hit, and check calling when you don't. It makes the hand easy, and gives him a bunch of opportunities to give you value.

3) I don't mind doing this every once in a while. It's absolutely fine, but i don';t like doing it in more than like 10% of my three bet pots.

4) Shove is excellent, the float i'm not sure of. People tend not to fire multiple barrels on A high boards, so it has that going for it, but he's also gonna have an Ace a fair amount and never fold it. So without knowing the player i don't know about the float, but once you get to that turn situation you are pretty much giddy.
 
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: I think given how light straate vbets that drunken here he may be going for complete ownage with some super light overbet vbet in which you may be ahead so you should call. You have part of the top at least 15% of your range here anyways.

Hand 2: I don't understand the river shove really, I don't think we're ever going to see him call with worse. What was with the turn 3 bet?

Hand 3: Hmmmm this is really interesting, I'm not exactly sure of your reasoning but your probably thinking his floating range or raising range is very balanced so you'd either have to bet/fold or c/f the turn if you bet, so it's better to c/r versus a range that still includes a lot of air that you have at least decent equity against. How'd I do?

Hand 4: I like it he cbets this flop a lot and gives up the turn.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1: call, the strength of your hand compared to the size of his bet is not that great. a4 and a8 are real likely. i dont really think tpgk is very likely when you called on THAT turn and THAT was the river. your hand looks like exactly what it is, connecting/gapper diamonds and the runners cum all over those.
2: ehhhhhhhhHHHhh i like the turn i think but i hate the river. i think his calling range is much larger than his betting range. and i think his calling range is pretty close to his checking range, and your hand isnt very good. and the river doesnt help ur cause getting him to fold better (JJ + TT)
3: dunno...isnt he expecting you to c/r here? and doesnt his small bet look like its begging you to raise it? just looks like he trapped you to me w/ J9 JT QJ KJ AJ or some shit.
4: awesome
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1) call: Your hand is basically a bluff catcher here. Now i think it's v possible he can be pulling like 80% bluffs here, but nonetheless he is going to have a bluff or the nuts the vast majority of the time, so just call.
this is wrong, he can have A7-AJ here as well as a hand like mid pair good kicker, tho of course he can also have any nut-type hand. i just think the overbet polarizes him towards those type of hands cause he did it almost instantly.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:23 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Call
Fine
Meh
Meh
agreed
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:01 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 1- call
2- i think shove and c/c both have their merits in this spot vs straate, im def not folding though
3- kind of spewy so little equity vs his calling range, would like it more with even one heart on flop
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Can I ask a question which isn't really relevant to you high stakes guys but which would help a lot when I come to understand this kind of play. More often than not, the interesting hands discussed here involve big pots (makes sense), and more often than not they feature either thin value, or monsters/pure bluffs.

My question is: what kind of proportion of hands actually go to showdown? Obviously, at microstakes, a large proportion do, since it's full of calling stations, maniacs and weak players, and small-mid pots where TPNK beats mid pair etc. are common. But at these stakes I assume it's much less, so when it DOES go to showdown, the proportion of monsters, and of bluffs, is likely to be that much higher. Is that a fair comment?
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biond- well, take a sample out of ur pokertracker and tell me the WTSD % and we can find out.

im guessing its actually pretty similar at micro.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:18 PM #11 (permalink)  
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50nl hu wtsd% = 35.44
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50nl hu wtsd: 29.27%
100nl hu wtsd: 22.45%
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Old 01-18-2008, 08:21 AM #13 (permalink)  
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i have 28.18 this month at 5/10 and 10/20
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 1. Not betting this flop, especially in this game, looks like a leak.

2. After river shove you have repped a very polarized range, which you don't necessarily wanna do. Only problem is how villian played. It's unusual and hard to put him on a hand/thought process.

3. Why would he b/f?

4. Not sure about pf/flop, but turn is probably sweet.
 
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