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Old 04-16-2010, 03:34 AM     Post subject: A few hands against Mr. Ike #1 (permalink)  
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hrm so ike was playing kinda odd and different, changing gears a lot.

im gonna post the hands, if you want extra information about his frequencies ill answer any questions you have as the thread progresses. start with your gut reactions/thoughts.

I think they are all pretty fun actually, respond to as many or as few as you want...

Hand 1:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $10804.50 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $8216.75 USD )
Sauce1234 posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
luvtheWNBA posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ 3s Kc ]
Sauce1234 raises [$50.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$40.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Kh, Ts ]
luvtheWNBA checks
Sauce1234 bets [$80.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$80.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
luvtheWNBA checks
Sauce1234 bets [$220.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$220.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
luvtheWNBA checks
Sauce1234 bets [$625.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA raises [$2595.00 USD]

hand 2:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $2914.00 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $4529.75 USD )
Sauce1234 posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
luvtheWNBA posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ Jh Qd ]
Sauce1234 raises [$50.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA raises [$190.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$150.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Qs, 4d ]
luvtheWNBA bets [$260.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$620.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA raises [$800.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$440.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
luvtheWNBA bets [$440.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$440.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
luvtheWNBA bets [$2819.75 USD]

Hand 3:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $13246.50 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $2278.50 USD )
luvtheWNBA posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
Sauce1234 posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ Ac As ]
luvtheWNBA raises [$50.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$200.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$160.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 9c, Tc ]
Sauce1234 bets [$270.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$270.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Sauce1234 bets [$470.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$470.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Sauce1234 checks
luvtheWNBA bets [$1318.50 USD

Hand 4:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $10907.00 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $4615.50 USD )
Sauce1234 posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
luvtheWNBA posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ Ks 9s ]
Sauce1234 raises [$70.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA raises [$260.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$200.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 9c, Tc ]
luvtheWNBA checks
Sauce1234 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
luvtheWNBA bets [$560.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$560.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
luvtheWNBA bets [$1333.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$10067.00 USD]

Hand 5:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $8167.50 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $10863.75 USD )
luvtheWNBA posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
Sauce1234 posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ 4h Qh ]
luvtheWNBA raises [$50.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$220.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$180.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Qc, Js ]
Sauce1234 bets [$370.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$370.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
Sauce1234 checks
luvtheWNBA checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
Sauce1234 checks
luvtheWNBA bets [$1111.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$4025.00 USD]

Hand 6:

Seat 1: Sauce1234 ( $3919.50 USD )
Seat 2: luvtheWNBA ( $15114.25 USD )
luvtheWNBA posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
Sauce1234 posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sauce1234 [ Ad Th ]
luvtheWNBA raises [$50.00 USD]
Sauce1234 raises [$220.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA calls [$180.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 4h, Td ]
Sauce1234 checks
luvtheWNBA bets [$300.00 USD]
Sauce1234 calls [$300.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Sauce1234 checks
luvtheWNBA checks
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
Sauce1234 bets [$670.00 USD]
luvtheWNBA raises [$14574.25 USD]
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:44 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: At first i thought call but now i'm thinking you might be considering folding?

hand 2: Really tough cause ike is just sick. i feel like he has a good amount of bluffs though knowing that you probably dont have an 8 and its statistically unlikely that you have a set.

hand 3: No idea

hand 4: First thought was i love it but i think you get owned sometimes by a low flush or kxcc

hand 5: meh i feel like he has some boats in his range and im not terribly confident that he'll fold a flush or even a 9 cause this is a clear bluff spot.

hand 6: why'd you c/c the flop?
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i c/c flop mostly for balance. i think in a vacuum betting is better than checking vs ike in this spot. however, i was 3betting 26% or so for the match and so i was forced to chk/fold a lot of boards like this one when called and i flopped air since he was folding like 36% to cbet, prob quite a bit less on this texture.

since i was c/f a large portion of my range, and sometimes chk/calling with weak showdown hands like 66 or Q4s or K5s i thought it was a good idea to mix in some nut hands into my c/c range since as my c/f frequency and c/c, c/f turn or river freq unimproved increases he is going to be more inclined to 3barrel as a bluff.
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Interesting hands thanks for posting!

1. Yeah fold says the gut.

2. I'd just call and call some more. As played I doubt he is bluffing given how little you have left, but if you had some plan then go with it.

3. c/f

4. I doubt you would actually take this line as a bluff so I think it's a little thin. I'd like it against a weaker opponent. If he's caught you making bad bluffs then I don't mind it.

5. Very nice imo.

6. Stick with your plan. You didn't c/c strong just to b/f river now did you? His range is pretty much ATC anyways and any fives should be discounted by flop action.

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Old 04-16-2010, 02:44 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1. call
2. wouldn't raise flop and call 3bet if I wasn't stacking off with top pair
3. call unhappily, you probably have the best/second best hand in your range?
4. don't like
5. depends entirely on what he can actually fold here, need more reads. I mean I think your underfulls are discounted and he knows this.
6. def don't fold
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Old 04-22-2010, 08:06 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 i might go into some thoughts later when theres more discussion but quickly my reactions:
1. sigh call
2. fold
3. easy call
4. history? v close, probably like
5. dont like
6. close probably fold
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Old 04-22-2010, 08:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 ok good i hadnt read other responses im exactly opposite p4s. i know i got them right then
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 all these hands are ridiculous though, and makes me think hu poker vs sickos is definitely something i wanna avoid
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:38 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Results

1. called lost to KT
2. called, lost to KK
3. called, lost to 87
4. he called, i won against JcJx
5. he folded
6. i think this hand is really really tough. im not gonna say results cause im going to post on 2p2
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:10 AM #11 (permalink)  
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ok good i hadnt read other responses im exactly opposite p4s. i know i got them right then
We aren't exact opposite. We agree on #2, #4.

#2: I said I don't think he is bluffing (that's means I'd fold). My comment about calling and calling some more meant that I would take a passive line starting from the flop.

#4: With history I think it's fine. Against most opponents this is a very nice play but if villain is insanely good then I think he should see it for what it is. I just wanted to say that to me this doesn't look like a bluff. Does it look like a bluff to you knowing Bens game pretty well?

But we do seem to disagree about the rest:

#1: I think it is abundantly clear that we have a bluff catcher here. I also think he is raising slightly more than he would need to raise if he was bluffing which makes me think he is strong. Yeah we have a full house but there's six combos that beat us and they make PERFECT sense, especially taking into account sizing on both sides. I thought you of all people would fold here.

#3: This hand is pretty meh. I just think it's fun to fold the nut flush on this board so I fold. Do you think he shoves 7c for value?

#5: I just think it's a sick play to turn trips into a bluff in a HU match, so I think it's awesome.

#6: I think villain could shove worse top pair for value here and it can certainly be a bluff. He gets to the river like this with all sorts of garbage so I don't see much reason to fold.
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Old 04-23-2010, 01:33 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 Regarding #5, I feel like this exploits a common tendency to bet 9x on the river for bluff protection even though it is clearly a loosing bet in a vacuum.
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 ha i was jk p4s. afa 1/3/5/6

1 and 3 i agree w/ u vs almost anyone but its IKE yo

5 im sure u are partially joking here but that is a purely donkish level of thought

6 yea i thought this one was tough. originally you had said that the flop action should discount fives and that was a primary reason to call; i would bet 5x here as a default play and i expect that ike would nearly as often as me
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yea rich u have a point. if i had bet the flop with a five i would almost alwyas bet that turn against my chk/calling range. idk if other ppl dont
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:53 AM #15 (permalink)  
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1 and 3 i agree w/ u vs almost anyone but its IKE yo
Im sure u are partially joking here but that is a purely donkish level of thought.


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5 im sure u are partially joking here but that is a purely donkish level of thought
You missed my serious comment: I feel like this exploits a common tendency to bet 9x on the river for bluff protection even though it is clearly a loosing bet in a vacuum.


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6 yea i thought this one was tough. originally you had said that the flop action should discount fives and that was a primary reason to call; i would bet 5x here as a default play and i expect that ike would nearly as often as me
This hand confuses me because I would never take this line on this board with any hand ever (as villain). However, if I would lead AT into a range of ATC it would not be with the intention of folding to a shove, although vs a very decent opponent this spot ridiculous.
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 so in order to not sound like a donk i need to clearly specify what i think are the tendencies of a common tough opponent of mine on an internet forum. got it
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Old 04-24-2010, 10:27 AM #17 (permalink)  
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so in order to not sound like a donk i need to clearly specify what i think are the tendencies of a common tough opponent of mine on an internet forum. got it
Not at all, just sounded like you were making a bad excuse for misplaying the hands.
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