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crime002000
Old 03-09-2006, 03:33 PM     Post subject: Facing Triple Barrel Aggression, gotta fold? #1 (permalink)  

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Opponent seems pretty solid, hasn't had to show much down, and freq reraises. He wasn't buying my aggression...give him credit and lay this down? Should I have ben less aggressive? I'm thinking he put me on overpair or set and he got lucky on the river, or do you see him holding a set here? I was figuring the check raise turn gets a cheap showdown.

PokerStars Game #4225096898: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/03/09 -
00:57:12 (ET)
Table 'Algieba III' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: Crisper ($599.40 in chips)
Seat 3: JohnSpence ($587.85 in chips)
Seat 4: djdepozyt ($148 in chips)
Seat 5: Blazed187 ($2217.80 in chips)
Seat 6: AbsoluteAces ($583 in chips)
Seat 7: Sir.bad07 ($1602.70 in chips)
Seat 9: crime002000 ($1780.05 in chips)
crime002000: posts small blind $3
Crisper: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to crime002000 [Td Kd]
JohnSpence: folds
djdepozyt: folds
Blazed187: folds
AbsoluteAces: folds
Sir.bad07: folds
crime002000: raises $12 to $18
Crisper: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [5s Jh Kc]
crime002000: bets $24
Crisper: raises $30 to $54
crime002000: calls $30
*** TURN *** [5s Jh Kc] [8c]
crime002000: checks
Crisper: bets $54
crime002000: raises $54 to $108
SCNC05 joins the table at seat #1
Crisper: calls $54
*** RIVER *** [5s Jh Kc 8c] [Ah]
crime002000: bets $54
Crisper: raises $365.40 to $419.40 and is all-in
crime002000 said, "catch the A"
crime002000: folds
Crisper collected $465 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $468 | Rake $3
Board [5s Jh Kc 8c Ah]
Seat 2: Crisper (big blind) collected ($465)
Seat 3: JohnSpence folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: djdepozyt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Blazed187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AbsoluteAces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Sir.bad07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: crime002000 (small blind) folded on the River
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:55 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Exactly QT of clubs. Shazam. Just kidding. AK the whole time.
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
 
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:20 PM #3 (permalink)  

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yea i was thinking AK too, especially after i saw that river... he was betting with top pair top kicker the whole time. then he grabbed top 2 pair on the river.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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crime, why the reraise on the turn after you were raised on the flop? Asking out of curiosity more than anything. Is this a nomal line?
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crime, why the reraise on the turn after you were raised on the flop? Asking out of curiosity more than anything. Is this a nomal line?
really, it was to see if he was fully serious about his hand, putting him to a test, and trying to rep possible set/2pr for me. I can see him making the flop RR w AJ, so just wanted to see if I was truly beat. The AI on river with A hitting convinced me. I hadn't seen much from him to this point, wanted to see what his river decision was going to be, and also try to get cheap showdown on the river with my blocking bet...mistake on my part, as I probably could have just checked it and folded
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really, it was to see if he was fully serious about his hand, putting him to a test, and trying to rep possible set/2pr for me.
It's just not that type of hand crime. I don't like this thought process. This can get you in trouble. Don't rep hands you don't have on unlikely boards, especially when the KJ and second club give the opponent an excuse to include semibluff in your possible range. Smart players aren't going to give you credit against likelyhoods without a massive amount of respect.

To put it in perspective, if you had a set here on this board you would drain TPTK in a vacuum almost every time. Why enter that action stimulated fray only "representing" a set? By knowing your K was kicked, and repping two pair or a set, you're telling me that you were experiencing a tilty thought process where the devil on your shoulder convinces you to keep the bad dog around while you search for phantom fold equity.
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Old 03-09-2006, 10:29 PM #7 (permalink)  

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really, it was to see if he was fully serious about his hand, putting him to a test, and trying to rep possible set/2pr for me.
It's just not that type of hand crime. I don't like this thought process. This can get you in trouble. Don't rep hands you don't have on unlikely boards, especially when the KJ and second club give the opponent an excuse to include semibluff in your possible range. Smart players aren't going to give you credit against likelyhoods without a massive amount of respect.

To put it in perspective, if you had a set here on this board you would drain TPTK in a vacuum almost every time. Why enter that action stimulated fray only "representing" a set? By knowing your K was kicked, and repping two pair or a set, you're telling me that you were experiencing a tilty thought process where the devil on your shoulder convinces you to keep the bad dog around while you search for phantom fold equity.
You bring up a good point Rondavu. What would you figure the right line should be? Drop it after his raise on the flop, or call that down and let it go on the turn? Obviously I have serious kicker issues, so maybe that was the way to go? Perhaps a bit of FPS there...may work if he doesn't have a hand, but I'm pretty sure I ran into a decent hand here
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Old 03-09-2006, 11:33 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You have kicker issues, but it's a blind war. I think TPOKK is goot enough to call down with, but he could easily have some kind of wacky BB 2-pair.

call turn, check/call or fold river
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Obviously you have to lay it down to that push on the river, but its the action leading to the push that is bad. I definately wouldnt have c/red the turn with TPmK. THis makes the pot get way too out of control for your hand strength. Hes probably not going to lay down TPTK there to your min raise anyway, so you lose what FE you might get from c/raising, if any at all in that situation. And lastly, you still remain OOp on the river, and are still either forced to check it to him showing a ton of weakness, or put in an expensive blocking bet, which he is free to raise with complete garbage or the nuts, and you will never know the difference, because you cannot show down such a weak hand for that many chips.
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