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Bmxicle
Old 08-18-2005, 11:28 AM     Post subject: crazy 600nl hands #1 (permalink)  
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This guy was insane, he must have been on crazy tilt, he overbet and raised everything and anything.

Here are the three hands that i broke him with, this was alot of money for me, but i knew i was ahead in the longrun and luckily i didn't get sucked out in any of them. I even one outtered doggz in small main pot on the qq hand heh.

***** Hand History for Game 2549701845 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 17, 05:07:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 36855 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: ThatsPLBaby ( $609 )
Seat 2: farmedfish ( $600 )
Seat 3: Pipkila ( $3006.21 )
Seat 4: Dashayu ( $628.60 )
Seat 6: nateballl ( $579.20 )
farmedfish posts small blind [$3].
Pipkila posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to farmedfish [ Js Jc ]
Dashayu folds.
nateballl calls [$6].
ThatsPLBaby folds.
farmedfish calls [$3].
Pipkila raises [$44].
nateballl folds.
farmedfish is all-In.
>You have options at Table 36718 (6 max) Table!.
Pipkila calls [$550].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 7s, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
>You have options at Table 36718 (6 max) Table!.
Pipkila shows [ Td, Tc ] a pair of tens.
farmedfish shows [ Js, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
farmedfish wins $1204 from the main pot with a pair of jacks.
>You have options at Table 36718 (6 max) Table!.

The ace scared the shit out of me on this one and i thought i'd lost it all.

***** Hand History for Game 2549706339 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 17, 05:09:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 36855 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: farmedfish ( $1195 )
Seat 3: Pipkila ( $3029.81 )
Seat 5: ThatsPLBaby ( $594 )
Seat 1: jackman6805 ( $0 )
Pipkila posts small blind [$3].
ThatsPLBaby posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to farmedfish [ Jc Jh ]
farmedfish calls [$6].
Pipkila raises [$27].
ThatsPLBaby folds.
farmedfish calls [$24].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 8s, 2d ]
Pipkila bets [$200].
jackman6805 has joined the table.
farmedfish is all-In.
Pipkila calls [$965].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
Pipkila shows [ 5c, 5h ] two pairs, fives and fours.
farmedfish shows [ Jc, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and fours.
farmedfish wins $2395 from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and fours.

*** Hand History for Game 2549734268 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 17, 05:23:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 36855 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: farmedfish ( $2335 )
Seat 3: Pipkila ( $1669.66 )
Seat 5: ThatsPLBaby ( $591 )
Seat 6: jackman6805 ( $725.50 )
Seat 1: kid_ghost ( $316.95 )
Seat 4: fiveHghStr8 ( $328.25 )
jackman6805 posts small blind [$3].
kid_ghost posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to farmedfish [ Qc Qd ]
farmedfish calls [$6].
Pipkila calls [$6].
fiveHghStr8 raises [$20].
ThatsPLBaby folds.
jackman6805 calls [$17].
kid_ghost folds.
farmedfish calls [$14].
Pipkila calls [$14].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Jc, 9s ]
jackman6805 checks.
farmedfish bets [$70].
Pipkila raises [$475].
fiveHghStr8 is all-In.
jackman6805 folds.
farmedfish is all-In.
Pipkila is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
Pipkila shows [ Qs, Tc ] two pairs, queens and threes.
fiveHghStr8 shows [ Ks, Kc ] two pairs, kings and threes.
farmedfish shows [ Qc, Qd ] a full house, Queens full of threes.
farmedfish wins $665.34 from side pot #2 with a full house, Queens full of threes.
farmedfish wins $2682.82 from side pot #1 with a full house, Queens full of threes.
farmedfish wins $1008.75 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of threes.
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Old 08-18-2005, 01:18 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Wow, that is pretty extreme, 7 buyins in 1 hand. Well i'm glad someone is getting paid off, i'm in an annoying down swing at present.
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Old 08-19-2005, 06:33 AM #3 (permalink)  
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that QQ was horrible
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:38 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I've been messing around with not raising preflop unless i have to w/ aa or kk, and so far i like it. I admit i prolly shoulda just tried to get as much in preflop as possible, but i was in no raise mode at the time.

HOw would you have played the qq hand? Besides the fact that i didn't raise preflop (you can tell me i should raise preflop, but so far i like it and i will continue to play this way for atleast a while) did i do anything else wrong?
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 05:58 PM #5 (permalink)  
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When you dont raise QQ/KK/AA pre flop, its to trap when the board comes all unders. Dangerous against this many players. Dangerous against another pre flop raise (could be KK/AA as it was in this case). Do it from the SB once in a while and hope for a BB to raise you then not suspect you to have an over pair when the flop comes rags...

With 4 to the flop, i really wouldn't be comfortable going AI here with such a deep stack on just an over pair, even AA would be tough. A raise pre flop + 3 callers means you'll probably see at least 2 pocket pairs. In this case you could be up against a set easy. I'm either re-raising my Q's pre flop to see if the guy comes over the top with KK or AA, or just calling and playing it for set value.
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i generally wouldn't be comfortable doing it either, but i had to trust my reads. This guy would make this move with overcards, any pocket pair, a draw, probably middle or bottom pair. Sure i only have an overpair, but it is ahead of his range of hands.
 
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Old 08-20-2005, 07:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I don't think the QQ was horrible. Though you should consider a pre-flopreraise with 4 runners.
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Old 08-21-2005, 02:18 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't think the QQ was horrible. Though you should consider a pre-flopreraise with 4 runners.
I'm in this camp as well. I push in situations like this to isolate the psycho with the big stack. He looks like he's going to call based on your analysis so the other small stacks don't matter as much. I seriously doubt anyone with KK or AA would let a bunch of people stick around when they have a chance against this maniac. Worst case scenario is the psycho folds and you end up heads up vs someone with a pair of kings. I am with you in not reraising preflop with queens because it gives you the element of surprise when you have the best hand most of the time, it allows your opponents to make more mistakes, and also the chance to escape postflop if your opponent has you beat. This case though..I make an exception.

Bmxicle, you seem to be doing well at your stakes. You're the only one who's shown any consitency after moving up so far. I worry about spino1i who moved up so fast and has since disappeared. Hopefully he's just busy winning, but its hard telling in this game...
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:01 AM #9 (permalink)  
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we'll see, obviously i've been on a good run, but i really don't think these games aren that hard to beat with a bit of table selection.
The hardest thing for me was that i kept tricking myself into thinking that these games are different and harder, when really they aren't.
 
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:33 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Last i heard Spino1i withdrew almost all his bankroll because he was getting stomach pains from the quantities of money he was playing with. I think he bought a car or something. Seems like he moved up too fast, i find that when i first move up a level the blinds seem big and calling a 3BB raise with a pocket pair is unpalatable whereas at my current limit i do it without a thought, its just that the actual amount of money has doubled and that takes some getting used to, it appears Spino1i didn't.
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Old 08-22-2005, 02:22 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I also had a good run and got BR to play nl400 after 2 weeks of nl100 and 2 weeks of nl200. I just felt I would've moved up too fast and decided to play some weeks nl200 before moving up which seems like a good idea because I have (or had) quite a downswing. Having tens of buy-ins helps.

The point is, take your time even though you would have the roll and the skill. This game is soo much about you not being afraid and having a stabile mental state especially at the higher stakes.

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Old 08-22-2005, 02:28 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i have pretty much separated myself from the amounts of money involved now. I only really get worried when i win or lose a certain percentage of my bankroll, not that i've won or lost X amount of dollars.
 
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There are two things that help me with handling the bigger amount of money. 1) Playing tournaments helps to handle with really big figures 2) The change of currency a few years ago, $500 used to be like 2500FIM and playing with thousands of marks would be just another psychological barrier more.

And I tend to think about money, not percentages when I play.
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Old 08-22-2005, 04:27 PM #14 (permalink)  
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How many buyins do you guys use before you move up? Do you mix in one high table when you're part of the way to having enough buyins? I've currently got 23 buyins for 200NL but i'm still playing 100NL exlusively, however i think its time to start mixing in some 200NL. Is it any different to 100NL?
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:48 PM #15 (permalink)  
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The full ring tables on party are quite tight, the 6max tables are still pretty loose. I started playing 600nl w/ like 22 buyins or something, but i decided that if i lost like two buyins i'd simply move back down. I ran really well and now i'm properly bankrolled for it. You can definately play 200nl on 23 buyins, but its mainly justabout your comfort level.
 
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Old 08-23-2005, 09:32 AM #16 (permalink)  
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I suppose my other option would be to learn 6max at 100NL as it sounds quite fun. However i haven't found a post yet which really explains how many hands i need to be playing and what my starting hand requirements should be, i'm wary of wading in at 100NL to learn the game but i'm not sure i'd learn as much or respect other people's bets enough at the lower levels. Anybody got any thoughts?
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Old 08-23-2005, 01:28 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I find 20 buy-ins enough although if the games are more aggressive the swings will be higher. Also when you step up you might not feel comfortable playing without a huge bankroll.

Like yesterday I was finishing my dman ring challenge and actually had $777/800, I was playing soo nervous and I was feeling kinda weak both mentally and physically. In the end I lost a 1.2k pot after misplaying the hand. I felt sick afterwards.

I also played some party nl200 full ring yesterday and I have to say it was ridiculously tight so I decided to steal the blinds quite often. I guess learning to play 6max might be a really good thing..
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