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Old 05-20-2006, 11:25 AM     Post subject: Bluffing again. PS 10/20. #1 (permalink)  
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POKERSTARS GAME #4993181090: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2006/05/20 - 04:36:30 (ET)
Table 'Cassiopea' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: epmets1014 ($2715.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Iwind ($2000 in chips)
Seat 3: ITILTEZ ($2344 in chips)
Seat 4: texcoco ($3055.30 in chips)
Seat 5: jimmybad ($742.60 in chips)
Seat 6: GreenMan ($1176.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Grandiose ($2285 in chips)
Seat 9: H@££INGGOL ($16036.80 in chips)
GreenMan: posts small blind $10
Grandiose: posts big blind $20
slippery2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Iwind [Qd Jd]
H@££INGGOL: folds
epmets1014: folds
Iwind: raises $50 to $70
ITILTEZ: calls $70
texcoco: folds
jimmybad: folds
GreenMan: folds
Grandiose: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 7c 2h]
Iwind: bets $130
ITILTEZ: calls $130
*** TURN *** [3h 7c 2h] [6d]
Iwind: bets $300
ITILTEZ: calls $300
*** RIVER *** [3h 7c 2h 6d] [As]
Iwind: bets $800

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Old 05-20-2006, 02:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't like it, but if you explain yourself maybe I will change my mind
including reads/image/past history in your post would really help

preflop is standard

flop bet is read dependant
obviously don't do this if you read villain for overpair

the turn bet I don't really like
virtually no hands are folding to this bet IMO

put it this way-I see your your turn bet an information bet/continuation bet
this bet, although it is unlikely to fold villain, gives you valuable information about his hand
if he raises, you can safely fold
if he calls, it means that he probably has either has a heart draw, or two pair with TT/99/88/78s/79s

the river bet is good
I would bluff at any non-heart ace, king, or queen here
as well as some other cards
 
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Old 05-20-2006, 07:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
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This is a tough one since it's full ring. The part that gets tricky is that on the turn you're representing an overpair, so you would always (almost) check call river here. How often are you bluffing the turn here with overcards? if you really had AK would you value bet this large? It probably doesn't matter since your opponent probably doesnt know THAT much about you. But if you keep playing the same guy's they will learn things like this.

I don't really have an answer for you as, it depends on your opponent. I think reguardless it's pretty close to being +EV vs. most opponents. Add in metagame value and i'm sure it will tip the scales (as long as you keep playing this opponent). If he makes a call this big with 99-kk, you can start making HUGE value bets against him, until he stops calling and then revert back to bluffing again.
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Old 05-20-2006, 07:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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What about checking turn, representing a missed AK/AQ, then betting the river ace?
 
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Old 05-27-2006, 02:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I think the question is in order: What do you think HE has? Often not good just wandering in the dark.

So, It Depends.
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Old 05-31-2006, 10:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Did you get away with this bluff? I read your other bluff post and the other one seems way more convincing than this one. I don' tlike this bluff at all. What are you representing? an Ace? a set? a high pocket pair?
But I'm an amateur and don't know anything. I just want to know how it ended up.
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Old 06-02-2006, 06:30 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Yeah, he thought about it for a while and then folded. At the flop I thought he might be just floating on me, as that had been done a the table before, or had some kind of pp, calling the turn he's most likely on a pocket pair, so I thought a river bet would take it down and it did.
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