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Pingviini

03-29-2006, 05:24 PM Post subject: AA line

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Cindy is a solid, winning regular. In her eyes I might seem a bit wacko, I donated a stack with my AK against her KK on K95 two tone flop last night at nl800.

Basically after the flop call I put her on a set or an overpair. I am really not sure about any street besides the flop. I do this line occasi0nally but I am not sure if this is good against a solid player like her.

Hand #249251683 at table: Table TH 111
Started: Wed Mar 29 19:39:48 2006

Cindycandy is at seat 1 with 706.80
kiwinuts is at seat 2 with 836.40
MortenO1 is at seat 3 with 230.64
kingbenno is at seat 4 with 301.25
PingZen is at seat 5 with 792.00

PingZen posts the large blind 8.00
kingbenno posts the small blind 4.00

kingbenno: --, --
PingZen: Ad, As
Cindycandy: --, --
kiwinuts: --, --
MortenO1: --, --

Pre-flop:

Cindycandy: Call 8.00
kiwinuts: Raise 16.00
MortenO1: Fold
kingbenno: Call 16.00
PingZen: Raise 48.00
Cindycandy: Call 48.00
kiwinuts: Fold
kingbenno: Call 48.00

Flop (Board: Jc, 6s, 3d):

kingbenno: Check
PingZen: Bet 120.00
Cindycandy: Call 120.00
kingbenno: Fold

Turn (Board: Jc, 6s, 3d, 7s):

PingZen: Check
Cindycandy: Bet 128.00
PingZen: Call 128.00

River (Board: Jc, 6s, 3d, 7s, 6c):

PingZen: All in
Cindycandy: All in

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zenbitz

03-29-2006, 07:39 PM

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I can't see a limp/cold call pre-flop with anything but a pair. Maybe AKs. Since you "obviously" have a pair, and there is a 3rd party behind who also is looking pair like - I can't believe cindy hsa 2 overs on the flop.

So, I agree a set or an overpair. Would she cold call 40 preflop with 33? JJ probaly, 66 sure, why not. 33? Well, lets add it to her range.

So, QQ KK AA(/2 since you have 2) JJ 66 33
Rations: 12:12:2:6:6:6.
You are ahead about 54% of the time, crushed 41% of the time, and push the rest.
When the 6 hits the river, that she is down to 2 66 hands, so that helps your odds.

The real question is ... will she flat call with QQ on the flop?

I guess you are slightly ahead until she calls your push on the river. You are ahead more often if you are super agressive pre-flop (and she knows it).

I think she had JJ... but I am not positive until the river call...

drmcboy

03-29-2006, 07:44 PM

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limp cold call with QQ, KK, I dunno if I equate with solid player, but it seems like you do? I'm foncused.

gabe

03-29-2006, 08:19 PM

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gabe is an unknown quantity at this point

your river bet doesnt make much sense. care to explain that more?

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03-29-2006, 09:39 PM

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check call and muck to her 45

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03-29-2006, 10:19 PM

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your river bet doesnt make much sense. care to explain that more?

Pingviini

03-29-2006, 10:32 PM

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err for some reason I remembered that she was on BB and I was on SB. that changed the fact that it is quite unlikely that she has QQ/KK. On river the pot was bigger than her stack and I was going to call an AI anyway so I thought that hands like AJ (unlikely) and QQ KK would call eventhough they might not bet. hence the AI.

if villain really had a set (I wont reveal the results yet) how would I get away from AA here given PF and flop? Pot is about ~400 and she has ~520 left on turn.

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03-29-2006, 10:50 PM

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err for some reason I remembered that she was on BB and I was on SB.

uh? she was UTG.

Cindycandy: Call 8.00

against an unknown, i checkraise allin on the turn, btw.

Pingviini

03-29-2006, 11:05 PM

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I can see that she was UTG. I remembered it wrong..

why do you CR AI here? It's not an overbet and if you play a lot of hands the same its a really good play. But she is normally solid, not a floater so I dont quite like the play for some reason. Perhaps I should change my thinking..

why to CR here:
to make a better hand fold?
to make a strong draw fold/pay the price?
to make a weaker hand call?
something else?

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zenbitz

03-29-2006, 11:20 PM

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OK.... I guess it is HIGHLY unlikey that she has QQ, and probably not KK either. She coul d have aces. That being said... how can you be ahead here?

When she calls the flop... what could she have AJ??? TJs or QJs? Just seems improbable, as does 45.

I think check/calling the turn is punting - you should check/call or check/fold the river as well. I doubt you are check/folding based on pot odds though.

I can see leading the turn and folding to a raise as the only way to escape vs. a set. It would be a nice move for her to long ball you with less than two pair.

I don't like c/r all/in on the turn because then you just feed money to a set.... and who calls that you beat? (We're assuming that KK/QQ is highly unlikley from pre-flop play... not initial assumption)

From Pings' attitude... I now think she had AK or 88 or something donktastic.

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03-29-2006, 11:37 PM

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why to CR here:
to make a better hand fold?
to make a strong draw fold/pay the price?
to make a weaker hand call?
something else?

i cr here to get a weaker hand to call and to trap some money when people are floating. it can look kinda like a bluff, so that gets it extra calls i guess.

but i dont think its a good line in this spot because it really looks like she has a small pair and hit a set. i check and fold to a big river bet.

drmcboy

03-30-2006, 04:21 PM

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Basically after the flop call I put her on a set or an overpair.

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how can you be ahead here?

I still don't get it. What over pair exactly? Do you really see this play with QQ or KK? If you're trying to fold the other AA, put it in on the turn.

Pingviini

03-30-2006, 06:02 PM

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lots of questions, no answers, from me, and from everyone else.

given PF and flop, how do you play here, anybody actually fold, and if so, how?

actually gabe CR'ed AI on turn... there is one line.

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03-30-2006, 06:08 PM

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you lost to her when she had a set before. why don't you tell us how that hand played out? i think thats pretty relative here.

also, i said the c/r turn line is only against an unknown. you have history here..

Pingviini

03-30-2006, 07:21 PM

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she raised 3-4x UTG I am the only caller with AKo on BB, effective stacks 800
flop 59K two tone, I lead for pot she raises 3x I go AI she calls with KK. great.

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Pingviini

03-31-2006, 09:05 AM

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She had KK. I was lucky. Still dont know how I would escape against a set.

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zenbitz

03-31-2006, 05:33 PM

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Cool. Funny way to play KK though. Given that she plays KK this way, does she also play QQ this way???

drmcboy

03-31-2006, 07:15 PM

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add sorta passive to read?

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