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Old 06-27-2008, 04:15 AM     Post subject: AA deep, vs fish - 2/5 pounds #1 (permalink)  
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 -SB is a huuuuge fish who has no fold button. I've had a few hands with him. One hand I bet AT on turn, and hit A river and c/r'd from 60 to 240 on river and he called with only JJ
-he doesn't distinguish bet sizing, so a huge bet and a smaller bet seem to get called with the same frequency
-UTG is a meh player. he's generally pretty tight, 18/8/4, but seems to be playing around 30% of hands today (maybe to play more hands with mega fish)
-UTG is an ass, and him and I were fighting in chat cause I was telling him to shutup and mind his own business while he was insulting the fish and calling him so bad and basically saying everything you shouldn't say to a fish. Not sure how that would influence someone's play against someone
-SB hasn't donked out much yet that I've seen, but pretty much always bets if you ever checked to him when he had position

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $25, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: ($80, 3 players)
SB bets $70, UTG calls, Hero ?
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:37 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm not qualified at all to comment but if this was at my stakes I would definantly raise the flop. There are a ton of scare cards that can come on the turn and the Donkey could be leading with a pair or a draw here. I doubt he has you beat due to the number of uuuuus you put in huge fish. UTG can call with a wide range here for implied odds. The fish is obviously a huge station based on his JJ call and UTG can expect to get a good amount of value if he hits.

I think if you raise and get 3 bet in this situation you need to fold. If SB calls I would fold a diamond if lead into and check behind a blank. If UTG calls in any situation I would proceed with caution.
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I think you should definitely raise and try to win a big pot against the fish. You're almost guaranteed to have both players beat, (the fish could be betting any pair, and would probably slow-play better a lot of the time because fish like to do this, and the UTG player would likely raise the fish with any big hand because he knows he's getting action) so I would raise right here and try to play a big pot heads-up against the fish. I'd probably make it $300.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:06 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yup raise and cry if you get 3bet.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Alright, I raiiiiiiised it up. And to my surprise, the fish FOLDED but the other "more solid" player called which had me worried. The turn was also not the greatest card in the world.

Bet or check for pot control this deep?


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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1100
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SB: $1249.35
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $25, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
Flop: ($80, 3 players)
SB bets $70, UTG calls, Hero raises to $240, SB folds, UTG calls.
Turn: ($630, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ?
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:25 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I really like a bet/fold on the turn, although my bet sizing needs work.

Probably around 420
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:49 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Ya I think $400/fold. Even though we'd be getting sick odds vs. a shove I don't think he's the type to semi-bluff shove the turn.
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:33 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 The games where I play are simply too aggro to bet/fold this on such a drawy turn. I can't put in over half of eff stacks and then fold. I know a bet/fold has some merit, but I would still bet/call or just check behind for pot control, depending on reads.

b/f $400 doesn't seem very good because we only need 19% eq to call, and we should probably have very close to that against his range. Here AF4 villain just called twice, so something isn't right. I'd check behind and very likely call a bet on the river.
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:00 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:02 PM #11 (permalink)  
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b/f $400 doesn't seem very good because we only need 19% eq to call, and we should probably have very close to that against his range. Here AF4 villain just called twice, so something isn't right. I'd check behind and very likely call a bet on the river.
I took P4's line here, though thinking about it in retrospect I kinda don't feel like villain would have bluff c/r'd me here on this turn with like JT or something, so I probably should have bet $400 and folded, despite the good pot odds I was getting.

As played ....

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Stack sizes:
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $25, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
Flop: ($80, 3 players)
SB bets $70, UTG calls, Hero raises to $240, SB folds, UTG calls.
Turn: ($630, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($630, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero loves how the board keeps getting worse.. and....?
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Old 06-28-2008, 06:36 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 I'd check behind vs this guy.
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Old 06-28-2008, 07:57 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 06-28-2008, 08:29 AM #14 (permalink)  
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haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
Yeah, and so is betting like $133 and calling a shove.
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Old 06-28-2008, 01:59 PM #15 (permalink)  
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haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
hmm as a bluff or for value?
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:07 PM #16 (permalink)  
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haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
hmm as a bluff or for value?
As a value-bluff you donk.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:17 PM #17 (permalink)  
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haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
hmm as a bluff or for value?
As a value-bluff you donk.
You people are crazy with your 250bb deep value bluffs!

I think I prefer a check, though getting only one street of value with aces kinda makes me feel like a donk anyhow!
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:26 PM #18 (permalink)  
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haha overbet shove as a value-bluff is kinda cool
hmm as a bluff or for value?
As a value-bluff you donk.
You people are crazy with your 250bb deep value bluffs!

I think I prefer a check, though getting only one street of value with aces kinda makes me feel like a donk anyhow!
Getting two pot sized bets of value with one pair is good/std.
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