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Iwind
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10-24-2006, 08:48 AM
Post subject: 5-5-10 NL QQ hand
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Flush
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Another hand from this live game I'm playing.
7 handed, I'm playing kinda tight, but not supertight.
Players in the hand.
I have QcQd
1 limper.
Kinda laggy guy $1,800.
Me: $3,000
Laggy guy raises to $60 in the CO.
I reraise to $220 from SB, I have been reraising like this a few times before, and I think I big reraise gives away my hand too much.
Limper fold and he calls.
FLOP 8J5 2 hearts.
I bet out $300 on flop.
He calls.
TURN 8j5J still 2 hearts.
I check
He bet $600.
He has like $700 behind, what do I do?!?!?!?!
He's aggressive and I'm pretty sure he'd take a stab on turn if he was on a draw seeing my check. He's a pretty good player.
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villagenut
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Is there anyway he would have been in the pot with something like QJ. Bet sure seems like he's holding a J??
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ilikeaces86
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LOL Iwind come on your only option is to put the rest of his stack in. Next....
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gabe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
LOL Iwind come on your only option is to put the rest of his stack in. Next....
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lol?
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Iwind
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But he had a
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Iwind
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And I was unlucky cause there was no queen on the river I guess I couldn't get away, at least I believe checking to him on turn is the way to get most value out of it though, y/n?
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Renton
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i think you gotta bet/fold this turn. Checking forces you to get stacked the times you are beat.
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ilikeaces86
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wtf I misread the board.
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Iwind
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I wondered a bit about your reply yeah. And when the other guy only has $1,300 behind, how much to bet out here? There is $1,060 in the pot. Betting out $600 and then folding to only $700 more in a pot that would be $3,000, I don't like that too much. I think it's hard to get away from when he has so little money, but I'm usually calling too much
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Pingviini
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I cant think of a really good line here, trying to reply later with the least bad one.. Problem with bet-folding is that if he is a good player he might just stick it in with a flush draw. No idea what to do here..
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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gabe
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i think when the card pairs and iwind still bets, a good players would definitely not want to stick it in with the flushdraw since his stack isn't very deep
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Pingviini
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average to good player wouldnt. He would have to be really bad or really good leaning more towards the former.
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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Iwind
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He's not bad, he is a winning player and pretty good, bet/fold turn is probably best, if I knew he was playing draw aggressively a c/f here would have been best even, since his flop call then most likely would have been a jack, but I dunno how he plays them.
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Renton
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i think that this is a hand where you can't avoid getting stacked. After all, the whole reason you threebet preflop was so you wouldn't care about him hitting a long shot and just stick it in on a favorable flop.
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Elexshun
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With your small preflop raise I think its profitable to put him on a Jack.
So in my opinion a check on the turn fold is just fine.
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Renton
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he calls the flop and bets a checked turn with a far, far, far wider range than just Jx. Check raise all in is a profitable play vs this player, op just got unlucky at this juncture.
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johnny_fish
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You have to c/r imo given your read. Tough spot though, stack sizes suck.
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Iwind
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Yeah, I thought for a while and decided that there was a good chance he could do that with draws, so I put him all in and he called with AJo.
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