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pocketfours
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01-29-2009, 05:54 AM
Post subject: 5/10: Weird river spot
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This is a full ring table temporarily down to 5 handed. Villain is Eric Liu, playing 14/10/2.0 (FR). He seems to play very solid.
I'm at 18/15/4.1 (FR) and my 3bet% is 9.3. I don't 3bet very loose oop, but I don't know if he knows that.
Hero (SB) ($1289)
BB ($2099.25)
UTG ($1420.50)
MP ($2767)
Button ($2445)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , A
2 folds, Button raises to $35, Hero raises to $125, 1 fold, Button calls $90
Flop: ($260) J , K, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $115, Button calls $115
Turn: ($490) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $112, Button calls $112
River: ($714) A (2 players)
Hero ??? (around $950 behind)
It's a tricky spot since both our ranges are very wide here. I think c/f, c/c, b/f and perhaps even shoving all have some merit. The only really bad move here is b/c imo.
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griffey24
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Your turn bet is mega small. Are you folding to a shove? Are you trying to induce a shove?
As played, I feel like given your turn sizing that a flush might have been tempted to raise it. I think I bet 450-500ish on river and fold to a raise.
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pocketfours
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Turn bet is for pot control. Eric isn't playing very aggro and I don't think this induces a raise. It might induce a float though.
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griffey24
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
Turn bet is for pot control. Eric isn't playing very aggro and I don't think this induces a raise. It might induce a float though.
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I'd like the sizing a lot better with AcK or something. I feel like he's getting ridiculous odds on his QcJ, KQc type hands. I guess its alright if you think he's only calling suited cards here.
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pocketfours
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I checked. He shoves and covers. $950 to call.
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gametight
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Hope Im alowed to converse with you Hi Stakes Ballers!?? I dont play 5/10 but I do play FR so Im obviously qualified
After the turn I think he has a lot of KQ, QJ, QT (w/ Q of clubs) hands in his range.
With your weak turn bet, and river check, I think your hand looks very weak to villain. If Im checking the river, its to induce bluffs..... and an overshove looks much less scary than a 1/2 to 3/4 pot value bet to me here. (If he got to river with AJ, A of clubs, do you think he shoves for value?)
I think there are enough busted draws/one pair hands turned to bluffs in his range to call here so I SNAP. I also like a b/f of ~1/2 pot on this river against this type of player.
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pocketfours
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I think he's never bluffing here. A mediocre player might bluff here but I don't think Eric would bluff in this spot.
The problem is he sure might shove AJ for value. Maybe even weaker.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Thoughts on hand:
As played, seriously, I'd call this in a heartbeat. Unless he has QT your winning. I don't think its a bad spot to turn a ton of hands into bluffs because most people dont fire two barrels and then check the river with hands they want to call a bet with. I've certainly seen and and definitely do it. Also, because of how this was played I just highly doubt you'd have the nuts here.
Secondly, I don't get turn bet at all if your not going to bet the river here.
Third, I think this hand is hard to plan postflop because unless your facing a good draw when all the money goes in chances are your going to be losing. Because of this I think a flop check could be good, but I think I like betting the flop something like 150 - 200 range.
Now the turn is just super gay and tricky, I don't think I mind your small bet at all. I think betting big and checking are both options that are going to put us in horrible spots.
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nutsinho
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damn this seems very close...im gonna think about it more in depth when i get a chance
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sauce123
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wtfffff
id definitely bet more on flop and on turn and jam river
as played vs peachy its gross but i spooose id c/c
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Luke999
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Just close your eyes and press a button, gross spot.
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mediumhand
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the way those sizings went down and the fact u 3b 10% in fr i think ur on top of ur perceived range here. i snap that shove (but i would bet bigger on previous streets)
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