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Old 05-08-2008, 03:40 AM     Post subject: 5/10 - weird preflop spot - what's our calling range? #1 (permalink)  
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 -UTG+1 is a pretty uncreative player overall, and has shown to be pretty passive in the past. My numbers on him long term are 19/9ish, but today he's running around 28/13
-SB is 19/17 and pretty aggressive. He has 3-bet me a few times already today and probably views me as pretty aggressive today
-SB probably views me as stealing here so his 3-betting range (re-steal range) could be pretty wide, but I have no idea what the over-limp and then raise from UTG+1 means
-what should my calling/shoving range be here?

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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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I've given a lot of respect to UTG limps before, but am I really supposed to give so much respect to an UTG limp and then UTG+1 limps and THEN raises?

I guess I could have been overthinking things. My logic was that if I was UTG+1, I would perceive the button raise as a pure steal, and then SB's 3-bet (from an aggro player) as a re-steal. Such that my shoving range as UTG+1 could be wide, but maybe I'm just trying to invent some scenario where his range is wider.
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 if he's a moron he could show up with 77. You don't have such a read. He's probably just getting tricky with AA/KK because he thinks you'll apply the reasoning you just gave and call with worse. It's really not that complicated of a play....do you give respect to backraises? This shove seems even stronger than most backraises.
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if he's a moron he could show up with 77. You don't have such a read. He's probably just getting tricky with AA/KK because he thinks you'll apply the reasoning you just gave and call with worse. It's really not that complicated of a play....do you give respect to backraises? This shove seems even stronger than most backraises.
Alright, I'm just trying to get an idea of ranges here, so it seems most ppl give him huge respect. I had AKo in this hand and I shoved and wanted to see how good/bad that was.

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