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gabe
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06-02-2006, 03:56 PM
Post subject: 5/10, trips against villian with scary line
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the short stacks sucks and i didnt raise the turn because i didnt want to shut out MP because he is solid. i was also sure i could get SB's money on the river if he ahd a king, so i didn't think i needed to raise the turn for value. MP's line looks really scary so i made a blocking bet on river planning on folding to a push.
thoughts?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
CO ($1114)
Button ($992)
SB ($581)
Hero ($1585.33)
UTG ($185)
MP ($1607)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 5. SB posts a blind of $5.
1 fold, MP raises to $35, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls $30, Hero calls $25.
Flop: ($105) 5 , 5 , K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.
Turn: ($105) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $52.54, Hero calls $52.54, MP raises to $180, SB folds, Hero calls $127.46.
River: ($517.54) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $300
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Pingviini
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This would be my standard line, too.
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I would probably lead the flop about 75% of the time here. You played it fine tho. Probably fold to a raise on river?
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ender555
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I like check calling this river better personally. You do have to fold if he raises.
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Pingviini
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Doesnt hero lose value from a K then?
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I would have raised the small blind on the turn unless he was super passive. Otherwise I would have played the same. Stats would help here tho..
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Originally Posted by Pingviini
Doesnt hero lose value from a K then?
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no, if he's raising a king on the turn he's going to bet the river with it.. and it does get another bet out of him if he's bluffing. You really think AK pops this turn and then checks behind on river?
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Originally Posted by ender555
no, if he's raising a king on the turn he's going to bet the river with it..
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i dont think this is true, people bet/raise turn alot for cheap showdowns
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gabe: the flop check increases likelihood of villain interpreting that last
$300 as a blocking bet/steal and accordingly gets more calls w/ Kx than any sort of bet he's going to make if you check to him on the end - more likely to call $300 bet than to actually bet that amount (or more) if checked to in that spot. it really depends on your read, whether or not he's the type of player to bet pot or even overbet on a bluff. if he's capable of doing that, then a check might be in order, but it sounds like he's solid from your initial post so i think your bet size is right. if he pushes to that bet size you're probably done w/ the hand.
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by ender555
no, if he's raising a king on the turn he's going to bet the river with it..
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i dont think this is true, people bet/raise turn alot for cheap showdowns |
that seems silly to me, if they are doing this they should be exploitable players. it's pretty much just the same as a blocking bet, when you should really just be trying to get max value.
but, I think maybe lead / folding would get more value just because you can bet larger than the bet they make that you will be calling. like above poster said.
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gabe
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06-05-2006, 06:55 PM
Post subject: Re: 5/10, trips against villian with scary line
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Originally Posted by gabe
MP's line looks really scary so i made a blocking bet on river planning on folding to a push.
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to all the people suggesting this, i did say it in my initial post
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Ender could you say how you would play KQ if you were the villain here. From villains perspective a blocking bet on turn looks pretty tempting, I know that you might lose some value from hands that arent bluffing but it does make things a lot easier. I mean, if you raise the turn with KQ and get a caller. Are you really going to bet the turn when checked with KQ? Against an average villain I wouldnt..
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Originally Posted by gabe
preflop is gross
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does the fact that your hand is sooted make the distinction from the flopped nut str8 hand i posted that you commented on (as above)?
semihijack sorry
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Originally Posted by gabe
preflop is gross
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does the fact that your hand is sooted make the distinction from the flopped nut str8 hand i posted that you commented on (as above)?
semihijack sorry |
wasnt the hand you posted full ring? its harder to win pots without a hand in full ring because others are more likely to be entering the pot with really good hands.
sootedness is a big deal also
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oops i thought mine was shorthanded guess not
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=0#Post6164255
this is obv the same hand, look at the stack sizes. no way it can be a completely different hand.
who is doing this? someone posted one of my QQ hands there a week or so ago too.
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Originally Posted by gabe
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6164255&an=0&page=0#Post 6164255
this is obv the same hand, look at the stack sizes. no way it can be a completely different hand.
who is doing this? someone posted one of my QQ hands there a week or so ago too.
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Not only that, but the converter says "flopturnriver".
I think this was you posting it, when drunk.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by gabe
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6164255&an=0&page=0#Post 6164255
this is obv the same hand, look at the stack sizes. no way it can be a completely different hand.
who is doing this? someone posted one of my QQ hands there a week or so ago too.
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I notice your stack increased by $1000 on 2+2
CO ($1231)
Button ($1245)
SB ($681)
Hero ($2585.33)
UTG ($185)
MP ($1607)
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