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Old 11-28-2010, 10:49 PM     Post subject: 5/10 Need river calling range #1 (permalink)  
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villain runnign 27/25 over 192. flop cb 58(14) turn cb 60 (5) river cb 0 (3)

previous hands in past 5-10m with villain:

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG nanonoko ($1,000)
UTG+1 Gith ($1,693)
CO nsx32 ($681)
BTN sun_cz ($1,000)
SB Hero ($1,322)
BB Vittinator ($1,082)

Pre-Flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is SB
nanonoko folds, Gith folds, nsx32 folds, sun_cz raises to $25, Hero raises to $90, Vittinator folds, sun_cz calls $65

Flop: ($190, 2 players)
Hero bets $100, sun_cz calls $100

Turn: ($390, 2 players)
Hero bets $260, sun_cz calls $260

River: ($910, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $872, sun_cz goes all-in $550

Final Pot: $2,332
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then he 4b/f bu vs sb 30s-2m or so after that

then 1m or so later this...

Stacks:
UTG toughAA ($592)
UTG+1 sun_cz ($1,823)
CO x_QUIXTAR_x ($463)
BTN Hero ($2,159)
SB nanonoko ($2,989)
BB mynameiskarl ($1,000)

Pre-Flop: ($15, 6 players) Hero is BTN
toughAA folds, sun_cz raises to $30, x_QUIXTAR_x folds, Hero calls $30, nanonoko folds, mynameiskarl folds

Flop: ($75, 2 players)
sun_cz bets $50, Hero calls $50

Turn: ($175, 2 players)
sun_cz bets $130, Hero calls $130

River: ($435, 2 players)
sun_cz checks, Hero bets $260, sun_cz goes all-in $1,613, Hero calls with ?
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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the correct answer is AK+ as well as some % X of your weaker vbets containing an A such that you arent exploitable

i mean, in this spot, id prob just click a button though
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:06 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I doubt I would be betfolding any hand with SD value considering recent history.
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I doubt I would be betfolding any hand with SD value considering recent history.
yeah this. I don't think I'd fold any Ax here. KQ would indeed be awesome. Our price is far from sexy though given the size of the jam :/
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:08 PM #8 (permalink)  
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This looks kind of bluffy specifically due to the dynamic you two have. I'd call with whatever I bet for value, I think kq is too thin so ax +
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 Kind of surprised at the amount of ppl saying easy bet/call here with any SD hand. After such history with villain, I always assume he's not crazy enough to take a more elaborate bluff line like c/shoving here as a bluff.

I assume if he's steaming a bit he would just bluff shove here more often than he c/shoves as a bluff. AK+ sounds like a good range to call though.
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:30 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Kind of surprised at the amount of ppl saying easy bet/call here with any SD hand. After such history with villain, I always assume he's not crazy enough to take a more elaborate bluff line like c/shoving here as a bluff.
I'm just saying that I think the risk of being checkraised as a bluff here is too high for us to betfold for value. I don't think it's very likely that his plan is to c/c on this river. I would certainly need more reads on villain before I would attempt to induce with KQ/A4 or whatever.

I think it's a little suspicious that he overbets like this when we very rarely have a boat ourselves since we can't have A3, QQ, 33 or 88.

I also don't think a bluff here is very elaborate for a weak player. He gives up on the river with his missed draws and when we bet he realises that he can jam and it's going to be very unlikely that we have a hand that can call him.
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I'm just saying that I think the risk of being checkraised as a bluff here is too high for us to betfold for value. I don't think it's very likely that his plan is to c/c on this river. I would certainly need more reads on villain before I would attempt to induce with KQ/A4 or whatever.

I think it's a little suspicious that he overbets like this when we very rarely have a boat ourselves since we can't have A3, QQ, 33 or 88.

I also don't think a bluff here is very elaborate for a weak player. He gives up on the river with his missed draws and when we bet he realises that he can jam and it's going to be very unlikely that we have a hand that can call him.
I agree with all of this. So the question is what would be our range and sizing for betting this river then? If we can assume that villain will rarely c/c here. Does that make this always a check back when you have SD value since its unlikely any of our hands are strong enough to bet/call (assuming your not trying to induce) and there isn't much in villain's range to get value from?
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I agree with all of this. So the question is what would be our range and sizing for betting this river then? If we can assume that villain will rarely c/c here. Does that make this always a check back when you have SD value since its unlikely any of our hands are strong enough to bet/call (assuming your not trying to induce) and there isn't much in villain's range to get value from?
I would be pretty happy just taking down the $435 in the pot. Feels a little weak to not bet an ace though. I usually don't let fear of a c/r stop me from betting but in this spot I think it's ok since our range is quite severely capped and villain probably has air anyway with the two flushdraws out there.

With a missed draw and any boat I would bet $85. Wouldn't bet a missed K high though.
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Kind of surprised at the amount of ppl saying easy bet/call here with any SD hand. After such history with villain, I always assume he's not crazy enough to take a more elaborate bluff line like c/shoving here as a bluff.

I assume if he's steaming a bit he would just bluff shove here more often than he c/shoves as a bluff. AK+ sounds like a good range to call though.
This just looks like a bluff regardless of him steaming or not. This line looks so FoS.

1) Our range seems capped cause we're 200bb deep, and he decides to overshove.

2) He wouldn't do this without a boat for value.

3) Seems like most regs would 3 barrel this if they had a made hand.

4) He assumes his opponents are making big bluffs which probably means he can make one.

5) We're deep which means everyone thinks theyre supposed to spew.
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