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    Default 5/10: need a plan vs fish

    Villain bought in just two orbits before this hand for slightly less than full amount and is playing one table only. Plays almost every hand and has open limped a few times. Also isolated a shortstack limper from the SB with A7o by raising to 3xBB (then check-jammed flop with top two and showed his hand when villain folded). Seems terribad.

    Hero ($1,483)
    BB ($1,015)
    UTG ($1,123)
    UTG+1 ($1,313)
    CO ($400)
    BTN ($1,000)
    CO posts $5

    Dealt to Hero A J
    UTG calls $10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $60, fold, UTG calls $50

    FLOP ($135) K 8 J
    Hero bets $86.66, UTG raises to $173, Hero?


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    Although he just showed you top two I would still call as he can have worse J's and draws in his range - we're sort of committed too ... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Edlets View Post
    - we're sort of committed too ... ?

    WTF? How are we committed to this when we've only got ~10% of our stack in the pot?
    Last edited by Shotglass; 07-07-2011 at 06:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotglass View Post

    WTF? How are we committed to this when we've only got ~10% of our stack in the pot?
    Massive fail, completely miss read the hand and thought that he raised and was all in and was kind of befuddled as to why p4's was posting it. Don t know what I was thinking XD
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    i'd probably call and re evaluate. assuming the previous board with the A7o hand he showed was semi-wet. I'd probably also discount most 2 pair combinations. I'd weight this to weaker kings, and draws. i just cant decide if its weak draws like guts shots or stronger draws like flush draws or maybe straight draws. as i think hes probably not raising 100% of 100% of draws. also he could be 'raising to see where he is at' with a worse jack. so assuming the turn goes check check i'd probably put in some sort of smallish value bet on most non Q rivers as i think with this raise sizing if he does have a draw he is less likely to bluff the river considering his range still probably has weaker kings and jacks id probably make it on the smaller side about half maybe 2/5ths as he may also fee compelled to call if he catches a piece with the draw part of his range (AsXs, AT, AQ, QT, etc). also shotglass i don't think he met pot comitted. i think he meant committed to continue, which is something that i'd agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4 View Post
    also shotglass i don't think he met pot comitted. i think he meant committed to continue, which is something that i'd agree with.
    Thank you for trying to save the situation but it was just a giant fail. But yeah I like your reasoning with calling and hoping the turn goes c/c and firing a blank on the river.
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    FLOP ($135) K 8 J
    Hero bets $86.66, UTG raises to $173, Hero calls $86.66
    TURN ($481) K 8 J 4
    Hero checks, UTG bets $317


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    i mean his most likely hand by far looks like Kx, then some one of the galaxy of draws and then Jx, then weak draws etc. probably fold the turn
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    I doubt he plays a bare king like the über-nuts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123 View Post
    i mean his most likely hand by far looks like Kx, then some one of the galaxy of draws and then Jx, then weak draws etc. probably fold the turn
    Likely this but I do like the calldown based on your read.
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    I can definitely see him thinking KT here is the nuts. 'You just called his small flop raise. Surely if you had a better hand you would have re-raised him on the flop as it is a draw heavy board and you would want to protect your hand.' Is easily a line of thinking he could have here. Also it's not fair that you get make the cool u when you say uber and I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4 View Post
    I can definitely see him thinking KT here is the nuts. 'You just called his small flop raise. Surely if you had a better hand you would have re-raised him on the flop as it is a draw heavy board and you would want to protect your hand.' Is easily a line of thinking he could have here. Also it's not fair that you get make the cool u when you say uber and I don't.
    This guy was playing about 75/15 with clearly his whole roll on the table. As bad as they come imo. I'd be very surprised if he was capable of even such a trivial thought process. His actions were fairly swift as well.

    I suppose he could be thinking something like OMG I have two kings boom-ship-ship-SHIIIPPPP!!! That level of thought always owns my soul

    Considering he plays A7o OOP pre like it's the immortal nuts worries me here.


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    Do you want to call and re-eval the river p4s? Do you think he'll bet almost all rivers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Edlets View Post
    Do you want to call and re-eval the river p4s? Do you think he'll bet almost all rivers?
    I wanted to end my life when I was faced with this bet tbh.

    But yeah I'm pretty much incapable of folding this hand at any point. Wasn't sure if I should jam or call. The advantage of jamming is protection and value from big combos. Also the additional fun that it could work as a bluff because we have no idea what is going on in the mind of this villain.

    Of course he makes my life miserable by suddenly making a small value looking bet on the river, but for me this just means better odds.

    RIVER ($1,117) K 8 J 4 2
    Hero checks, UTG bets $335, Hero calls $335
    Hero shows A J
    UTG shows 5 Q

    No reason to be results oriented though. I've lost a thousand pots to these idiots by calling down weak and I certainly didn't feel like I played this hand specially well. It was just a stupid hand where I stationed away and wanted to hear if I played it ok.

    In hindsight it's also easy to see how calling down was superior to jamming the turn, but that's just results oriented thinking as well.


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    I don t know about shoving as a bluff... Actually, if you think he's playing his whole roll maybe he will fold QQ+weak Kx? Although after reading the A7o part im not so sure...
    Pretty tough river spot, but as you said: odds. I would probably fold for like 650+
    I guess it was played well against him... ( I dont know what HS fish are like meh ) But I probably would have folded the turn if I thought he was going to bet most rivers. I guess he was betting every river minus a Q I assume?

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