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pocketfours
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07-07-2011, 06:41 AM
Post subject: 5/10: need a plan vs fish
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Villain bought in just two orbits before this hand for slightly less than full amount and is playing one table only. Plays almost every hand and has open limped a few times. Also isolated a shortstack limper from the SB with A7o by raising to 3xBB (then check-jammed flop with top two and showed his hand when villain folded). Seems terribad.
Hero ($1,483)
BB ($1,015)
UTG ($1,123)
UTG+1 ($1,313)
CO ($400)
BTN ($1,000)
CO posts $5
Dealt to Hero A J
UTG calls $10, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $60, fold, UTG calls $50
FLOP ($135) K 8 J
Hero bets $86.66, UTG raises to $173, Hero?
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The Edlets
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Although he just showed you top two I would still call as he can have worse J's and draws in his range - we're sort of committed too ... ?
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Shotglass
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Edlets
- we're sort of committed too ... ?
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WTF? How are we committed to this when we've only got ~10% of our stack in the pot?
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aka_red
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i'd probably call and re evaluate. assuming the previous board with the A7o hand he showed was semi-wet. I'd probably also discount most 2 pair combinations. I'd weight this to weaker kings, and draws. i just cant decide if its weak draws like guts shots or stronger draws like flush draws or maybe straight draws. as i think hes probably not raising 100% of 100% of draws. also he could be 'raising to see where he is at' with a worse jack. so assuming the turn goes check check i'd probably put in some sort of smallish value bet on most non Q rivers as i think with this raise sizing if he does have a draw he is less likely to bluff the river considering his range still probably has weaker kings and jacks id probably make it on the smaller side about half maybe 2/5ths as he may also fee compelled to call if he catches a piece with the draw part of his range (AsXs, AT, AQ, QT, etc). also shotglass i don't think he met pot comitted. i think he meant committed to continue, which is something that i'd agree with.
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The Edlets
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shotglass
WTF? How are we committed to this when we've only got ~10% of our stack in the pot? |
Massive fail, completely miss read the hand and thought that he raised and was all in and was kind of befuddled as to why p4's was posting it. Don t know what I was thinking XD
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The Edlets
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
also shotglass i don't think he met pot comitted. i think he meant committed to continue, which is something that i'd agree with.
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Thank you for trying to save the situation but it was just a giant fail. But yeah I like your reasoning with calling and hoping the turn goes c/c and firing a blank on the river.
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pocketfours
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FLOP ($135) K 8 J
Hero bets $86.66, UTG raises to $173, Hero calls $86.66
TURN ($481) K 8 J 4
Hero checks, UTG bets $317
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sauce123
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i mean his most likely hand by far looks like Kx, then some one of the galaxy of draws and then Jx, then weak draws etc. probably fold the turn
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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pocketfours
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I doubt he plays a bare king like the über-nuts.
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I can definitely see him thinking KT here is the nuts. 'You just called his small flop raise. Surely if you had a better hand you would have re-raised him on the flop as it is a draw heavy board and you would want to protect your hand.' Is easily a line of thinking he could have here. Also it's not fair that you get make the cool u when you say uber and I don't.
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The Edlets
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Do you want to call and re-eval the river p4s? Do you think he'll bet almost all rivers?
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reDZill4
I can definitely see him thinking KT here is the nuts. 'You just called his small flop raise. Surely if you had a better hand you would have re-raised him on the flop as it is a draw heavy board and you would want to protect your hand.' Is easily a line of thinking he could have here. Also it's not fair that you get make the cool u when you say uber and I don't.
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This guy was playing about 75/15 with clearly his whole roll on the table. As bad as they come imo. I'd be very surprised if he was capable of even such a trivial thought process. His actions were fairly swift as well.
I suppose he could be thinking something like OMG I have two kings boom-ship-ship-SHIIIPPPP!!! That level of thought always owns my soul 
Considering he plays A7o OOP pre like it's the immortal nuts worries me here.
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by The Edlets
Do you want to call and re-eval the river p4s? Do you think he'll bet almost all rivers?
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I wanted to end my life when I was faced with this bet tbh.
But yeah I'm pretty much incapable of folding this hand at any point. Wasn't sure if I should jam or call. The advantage of jamming is protection and value from big combos. Also the additional fun that it could work as a bluff because we have no idea what is going on in the mind of this villain.
Of course he makes my life miserable by suddenly making a small value looking bet on the river, but for me this just means better odds.
RIVER ($1,117) K 8 J 4 2
Hero checks, UTG bets $335, Hero calls $335
Hero shows A J
UTG shows 5 Q
No reason to be results oriented though. I've lost a thousand pots to these idiots by calling down weak and I certainly didn't feel like I played this hand specially well. It was just a stupid hand where I stationed away and wanted to hear if I played it ok.
In hindsight it's also easy to see how calling down was superior to jamming the turn, but that's just results oriented thinking as well.
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The Edlets
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I don t know about shoving as a bluff... Actually, if you think he's playing his whole roll maybe he will fold QQ+weak Kx? Although after reading the A7o part im not so sure...
Pretty tough river spot, but as you said: odds. I would probably fold for like 650+
I guess it was played well against him... ( I dont know what HS fish are like meh ) But I probably would have folded the turn if I thought he was going to bet most rivers. I guess he was betting every river minus a Q I assume?
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Warpe
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
i mean his most likely hand by far looks like Kx, then some one of the galaxy of draws and then Jx, then weak draws etc. probably fold the turn
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Likely this but I do like the calldown based on your read.
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