|
zook
|
11-27-2007, 04:34 PM
Post subject: 5/10 - KK 200bb deep
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Villain is 20/17/3.9. We don't have any real history. I've 3bet him a couple of times and he's folded. He built his stack beating up on a laggro fish who just left the table.
Boring hand. Mainly wondering if anyone 5bets pre.
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $5/$10 - 5 players - Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $945
CO: $4000.25
Button: $1736.50
Hero: $1989.50
BB: $1646.75
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K  K 
UTG folds, CO raises to $35, Button folds, Hero raises to $130, BB folds, CO raises to $335, Hero calls.
Flop: T A J ($680, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $300, Hero folds.
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
AHiltz
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Coldbrook, NS
Posts: 1,589
|
|
shouldn't you 5bet/shove pre since you are OOP?
|
|
|
|
sauce123
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dizzy
Posts: 2,405
|
|
looks good
|
|
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by AHiltz
shouldn't you 5bet/shove pre since you are OOP?
|
I'm worried that he can get away from everything I beat if I 5bet this deep.
|
|
|
|
sauce123
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dizzy
Posts: 2,405
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by AHiltz
shouldn't you 5bet/shove pre since you are OOP?
|
I'm worried that he can get away from everything I beat if I 5bet this deep. |
i think 5 betting rly sucks here without history
|
|
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
|
|
IowaSkinsFan
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
|
|
looks good
Looking really deep into this hand though I think we should 5 bet bluff 100% of our range (given there is no way he could possibly know this).
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,334
|
|
Wow that board sucks.
Nice hand, tough board.
|
|
|
|
Numbr2intheWorld
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,561
|
|
in the last how many hands have you 3-bet him a couple of times? and how recent was your last 3-bet?
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Massimo
in the last how many hands have you 3-bet him a couple of times? and how recent was your last 3-bet?
|
~100 hands and not in the last three orbits.
|
|
|
|
Numbr2intheWorld
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,561
|
|
ok yeah then nh. What was your plan on a low flop? What was your plan on a Jxx or Qxx flop?
|
|
|
|
The Grouch
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: representing a narrow range
Posts: 26
|
|
OMG not 5 bet shoving here is criminal. PLEASE nobody is folding preflop after putting in a pot sized 4 bet and even if they do its almost certain that you are actually gaining equity by taking the pot then.
|
|
|
|
griffey24
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
Posts: 4,611
|
|
I think I 5-bet this pre, but thats mostly because I 3-bet pretty light out of the blinds so from villains perspective given how deep we are he could be 4-betting very light knowing that I could only continue with the best of my range. (which is very rare)
Given my image I need to 5-bet here, but I think a lot of this depends on your image, and how sick he's getting of you 3-betting him. Even still, he could 4-bet you so light here with most of his range and you'd have trouble carrying on OOP so deep without the near nuts.
long answer short: depends how much you've been 3-betting him from the blinds.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Massimo
What was your plan on a low flop? What was your plan on a Jxx or Qxx flop?
|
Probably c/c'ing most non-ace flops. I don't have any reason to believe his range is wider than QQ+/AK and I think he can get away from QQ this deep to a flop c/r on a low board. If we had some history I might take a more aggressive line.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by The Grouch
OMG not 5 bet shoving here is criminal. PLEASE nobody is folding preflop after putting in a pot sized 4 bet and even if they do its almost certain that you are actually gaining equity by taking the pot then.
|
lol, who are you? His 4-bet is 2/3 pot and look at stack sizes before you assume someone is pot-committed.
|
|
|
|
The Grouch
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: representing a narrow range
Posts: 26
|
|
Oops, obviously i totally misread the post. I thought he raised to 435 and didn't notice the depth.
But still I don't understand not maximizing value against someone that you've already three-bet multiple times. I've found ppl get frustrated quickly at 5/10 on tilt, especially a player with these type of stats.
This being said its still semi-gross if he 6-bet (LOL) shoves.
|
|
|
|
The Grouch
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: representing a narrow range
Posts: 26
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
lol, who are you?
|
If you play 5/10 on tilt I'm sure we have tangled
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by The Grouch
But still I don't understand not maximizing value against someone that you've already three-bet multiple times. I've found ppl get frustrated quickly at 5/10 on tilt, especially a player with these type of stats.
|
You're right, but as I mentioned a few posts above, I'd 3bet him twice in the span of about an hour and not recently, so I didn't think he was playing back. The taggs at the table were basically staying in line with each other while jockeying to play big pots with the donkfish (who left a couple hands before this).
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by The Grouch
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
lol, who are you?
|
If you play 5/10 on tilt I'm sure we have tangled |
k, good to have you here. Welcome to FTR.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
