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sauce123
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08-29-2007, 07:15 PM
Post subject: 5/10- how do i get value?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is unknown and 100BB deep. This is stars so player pool is relatively small regular-wise. so its kind of odd to see a full-buy unknown
anyways have been at the table 20 hands or so and villain hasnt done anything crazy
villain opens to 35 otb i repop to 130 in the BB with TsTh
flop QsJs x... whats my line and why?
and describe hypothetical turn play if necessary
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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gabe
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but in those 20 hands have u done anything crazy or been 3 betting a bunch
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sauce123
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by gabe
but in those 20 hands have u done anything crazy or been 3 betting a bunch
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no, my image is prolly taggy, i was concentrating on a cpl hu tables and was playing solid
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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IowaSkinsFan
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Didn't zook post this same hand a few days ago?
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"5/10- how do i get value?"
You don't?
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I have a feeling there is some typo.
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sauce123
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theres a couple differences
in zooks hand board was 2 flush and he had no flush card and im not sure if it was blind vs btn
in this hand i have a FD, its 3 sooted, and its BB vs BTN
fwiw
thanks for the replies tho.... lol
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sauce123
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ok i didnt want to start off being specific but here goes
1. we beat most of his range 22-AA AT+ some SCs,
2. We are going ot be a big dog a lot of the time if we get allin on the flop and if we bet/fold we are also going to be incorrectly folding a fair % of the time.
so should we C/F, B/F, B/C, C/R, C/C or what?
and if we check, should villains bet sizing influence our decision...?
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I think we should c/f given his range. If i have 22-99 on this board im not betting because i have sd value. Meaning yeah he'll bet AT or AK but it just doesnt seem like enough given the fact we really can't call a two barrel.
I dont think bet sizing should influence our decision unless you have a strong read on opp.
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sauce123
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i agree actually that c/f seems best against an unknown...
anyone disagree?
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gabe
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bet fold alot better i think
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How were we supposed to know it was 3 sooted?
I also think we need to B/F this flop so that 22-99, SCs and AT, AK aren't getting a free card and won't try to steal. As you said, we are ahead of most of his range, so charge the draws. The cbet will also work as a blocking bet and you will often get to see the river free against AJ and AQ.
I think it's very close between B/F and C/F though, although if we C/F the flop, we can't C/F turn, that's just too weak. So my order of preference is:
1. B/F + C/F
2. C/F + B/F
3. C/F + C/C
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on the flop:
bet $20 then after he raises u min raise him back... if he is unkonw then ur unkown to him too (maybe) and he wont like ur line a bit and fold everyting rrigght there  am i right ?
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sauce123
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
How were we supposed to know it was 3 sooted?
I also think we need to B/F this flop so that 22-99, SCs and AT, AK aren't getting a free card and won't try to steal. As you said, we are ahead of most of his range, so charge the draws. The cbet will also work as a blocking bet and you will often get to see the river free against AJ and AQ.
I think it's very close between B/F and C/F though, although if we C/F the flop, we can't C/F turn, that's just too weak. So my order of preference is:
1. B/F + C/F
2. C/F + B/F
3. C/F + C/C
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i rly htink this post says it all against all but the most aggro/creative players
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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