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zook
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08-19-2008, 09:12 PM
Post subject: 5/10 - flopped set 320bb deep - river value decision
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is a winning reg running 20/16/3.5. I've c/r'ed him a few times this session, he's only called once when I had overcards on a low paired board, I fired turn, he called and I gave up river, he had TT.
Lots behind... straightforward vb or c/r to let missed draws bluff?
Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $1,278
BTN: $2,319
SB: $4,578
Hero (BB): $3,231.50
UTG: $3,887.50
Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $35, 3 folds, Hero calls $25
Flop: ($75) 9 6 J (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $55, Hero raises to $235, UTG calls $180
Turn: ($545) 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $400, UTG calls $400
River: ($1,345) 4 (2 Players)
Hero...
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gabe
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i might c/c a4ss if i was feeling it but you miss too much value by not betting 800 or whatever
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bair
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fake block 450
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Alexos
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I much prefer a bigger bet here i think, I don't think the 450/inducaments will work often enough. So I'd say 1125.
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zook
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Alexos
I much prefer a bigger bet here i think, I don't think the 450/inducaments will work often enough. So I'd say 1125.
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surprised you didn't say 2222
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bigspenda73
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I guess my biggest question is have you or anyone else overbet him in the past and how has he responded?
It seems like a spot where his calling range does not change all that much from one bet-size to another but overbetting or valuebetting big does take away a bluff shove from him.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I'd bet.
What was turn timing like?
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Irisheyes
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
It seems like a spot where his calling range does not change all that much from one bet-size to another but overbetting or valuebetting big does take away a bluff shove from him.
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this.
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zook
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spenda: No overbetting history. But with these stacks I can bet pot and still have very close to pot behind! So it seems like it's less a matter of leaving enough behind for a bluff than choosing an amount that encourages one?
ISF: Turn call was pretty quick, I remember it being quicker than I expected.
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Renton
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your c/r on the flop seems really really big, also i normally lead flop
I would bet for sure, he has AA and stuff too much and you need to give him a chance to call with it. Your line looks way too strong to expect him to bluff at this.
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zook
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Since there's a lot of agreement I'll post results and another question.
I bet a cool $1000 and he timebanked. Took up a good portion of it, like 20 seconds, so I don't think he was hollywooding. During that time he typed:
xxx: 78 spades?
xxx: do u show?
xxx: if i fold
I didn't respond. After the hand he said he folded AA. Anyone respond to chat like this in these situations?
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Alexos
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nooo id shutup, sometimes when fish tank i usually say something dumb in chat to induce calls, but vs regs id just shattap here
You should've bet 1111, he woulda def called that.
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griffey24
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I'd bet this always, especially since spades missed and if he's calling down he might convince himself to call cause spades didn't get there.
I do kinda like the 1111 bet.
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