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pocketfours

04-28-2010, 10:35 AM Post subject: 5/10: Few hands, line check.

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Running like Jesus the whole month so time to play some serious pokah. Please help out ol' P4's and gimme your thoughts. I chose some unconventional lines here.

All villains are multitabling and assumed to be regs. I'm viewed as 23/19/11%. No relevant history with any of the players.

Hand #1:

Villain is 30/28/10% unknown with 75% fold to 3bet. Don't know what to make of his sizing pre so I just ignored it. He had the same sizing the last time he opened the button. Don't remember his previous sizings. Turn shove is pretty thin but I don't think he is folding any ace. If I'm beat it's not too bad either.

This is probably not a very good balanced strategy, but I think I can be a little tricky against the regs I don't have history with and who might view me as a weak player.

BB ($2352.50)
UTG ($938)
MP ($965.50)
Button ($1244)
Hero (SB) ($1287)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, A

2 folds, Button bets $40, Hero raises to $140, 1 fold, Button calls $100

Flop: ($290) 3

, A

, K

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $197, Hero calls $197

Turn: ($684) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $350, Hero raises to $950 (All-In)

Hand #2:

Villain is 25/19/10% unknown with fold to 3bet 60% over smallish sample. SB is 22/20/10% unknown.

Hero (BB) ($1127)
UTG ($1015)
MP ($2026)
Button ($2706)
SB ($1504)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 10

1 fold, MP bets $23, 1 fold, SB calls $18, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($69) 6

, 4

, 10

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $60, MP calls $60, 1 fold

Turn: ($189) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $160, MP calls $160

River: ($509) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $420

Hand #3:

Villain is 27/21/7% unknown with 55% cbet. Another tricky line.

SB ($432)
Hero (BB) ($1030)
UTG ($726)
MP ($1044)
CO ($1863.25)
Button ($1143.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, J

3 folds, Button bets $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($65) J

, 2

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40

Turn: ($145) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $110, Hero calls $110

River: ($365) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks with intention to c/c.

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sauce123

04-28-2010, 02:56 PM

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hand 1- deffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffinitely c/c... his bet/bet range is some unknown but probably large amount of air, and 2pr+ which he doesnt have very much.

hand 2- weird runout for your hand and this action. i think i like betting 35-60% pot with my whole range so that it can include some weaker hands like QT and AT as well as sets, hands like KQ and the odd whiffed 75/87/53. as far as this exact situation you are unlikely to get value raised by any worse hands besides the lower sets so if he is the type to hero call in polarized spots bet big and if he is not i would bet like 280.

hand 3- i dont love the flop lead at all but whatever. your turn/river line is ok

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04-28-2010, 05:34 PM

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Hand 1 I agree with sauce that c/c is much better than this once you c/c flop.

Hand 2 I'd play the same

Hand 3 I'd never lead this board either but I like turn and river

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04-28-2010, 07:14 PM

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Hand 1: I think your 3bet size pre is slightly too big, its nitpicky but i think it makes a big difference. As played seems fine, I don't really prefer c/c down to c/r all in here. You may want to c/c and c/f river?

Hand 2: Seems fine to me, not sure what I do vs a shove, I probably call.

Hand 3: I think c/cing the flop here is far superior to leading.

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04-28-2010, 09:50 PM

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#1: Now wait a minute!

For one thing this villain was very loose OTB. I had his ATS at 80%.
Are you guys taking into account that I am very likely perceived as a weak player by a reg who has never seen me before?

In my opinion a LAG reg is going to bet flop and turn like this with any top pair. That's probably never going to happen against a feared opponent like Sauce, but against someone he has never seen it seems pretty standard to me.

If I c/c I might not stack him when I let him check behind his weak TP. I also might not stack him if I hit the flush. In my opinion he will definitely not fold top pair if I shove after putting in over half his stack.

I really didn't feel like he was bluffing. If I would have thought that he was bluffing then certainly I would have chosen to c/c.

#2: Yeah with this sizing it's just a terrible suicide watch spot if I get shoved on. B/c smaller seems like a pretty sweet line.

#3: Agree 100% that leading this hand is probably not optimal as a balanced strategy. I just feel like this is going to induce a ridiculous amount of floats by hands that wouldn't give me any action if I checked. Again very much because of the fact that I'm unknown. I would never lead here against anyone who knows my game, that goes without saying.

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04-28-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Hand 1: I think your 3bet size pre is slightly too big, its nitpicky but i think it makes a big difference.

Very helpful comment thanks Danny!

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04-29-2010, 03:23 AM

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I think they are all perfectly fine as played tbh. Although leading hand 1 is a bit weird.

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04-29-2010, 05:12 PM

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hand 1 - I think the 3bet sizing seems fine. I don't mind the turn c/bomb, given that the river pot will be 1400 with only 600ish behind. If there was a little more behind, I'd prefer c/c turn.

Hand 2 - I like it.

Hand 3 - Agree with rest about c/c flop. As played, I like the "scared of the K" turn c/c, and I'd c/c riv again. He can def put you on like QJ/AJ and try to bluff you on river or value town himself with AK/AA type stuff. KQ even.

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04-29-2010, 08:31 PM

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Edit meant to say hand 3 lead is weird.

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04-30-2010, 01:02 AM

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I really feel like Betting the flop on hand 1 is vastly superior to any other line. Also agree with the c/c on the turn especially with the Qd.

Hand 2: I feel like c/r the flop is slightly better than leading unless you're leading these types of flops a lot... which is alright although your range would have to be interesting considering you'll probably get raised with straight draws. I also think bet/fold the river smaller.

Hand 3: I mean i usually think barreling the turn is better cause its a perceived bluff card, but you did say you thought your lead was gonna induce a lot of floats so go with your reads. And i agree with c/c on the river.

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04-30-2010, 01:02 AM

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unless he made some small vbet in which i'd shove and probably get called by like AK lol.

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04-30-2010, 01:41 AM

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Everyone saying c/c turn in hand 1. Do we really expect him to bluff 600 into 1400 on river? Meanwhile, he might b/c some pair+draw hand on the turn if we shove.

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04-30-2010, 08:33 AM

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I really feel like Betting the flop on hand 1 is vastly superior to any other line.

Funny that nobody else as had any thoughts about this. I think I decided to c/c flop because I felt like the fact that he made it 4x pre made it more likely that he will play this flop aggressively when I show weakness.

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Hand 2: I feel like c/r the flop is slightly better than leading unless you're leading these types of flops a lot...

I almost never lead and I almost never c/r this board. I decided to lead because villain made such a small raise pre, which I thought probably makes him less prone to cbetting his ace high type hands and even air on this board. Whether that's a good argument for leading with the nuts is debatable, but I really didn't want this flop to be checked through.

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04-30-2010, 11:58 PM

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Funny that nobody else as had any thoughts about this.

I think everyone would say that betting the flop is better in hand 1 and is standard, so nobody is gonna really comment on that when you're clearly intentionally just taking a non-standard line some minority of the time.

Unless c/c is standard for you here?...

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05-01-2010, 12:38 AM

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I get what your saying, you think he's gonna put you on JJ or TT and start bluffing. The problem is once you c/c two streets (if not one) its gonna look like you have this and not JJ. And i feel like your hand will do well if you bet/bet/shove

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05-01-2010, 01:30 AM

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I get what your saying, you think he's gonna put you on JJ or TT and start bluffing.

Not really. More than that I want him to start betting his weaker top pairs aggressively until he commits himself.

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05-01-2010, 01:36 AM

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No of course not.

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