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pocketfours

12-11-2007, 04:09 AM Post subject: 5/10. 170BB deep HU river shove.

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We have played 150 hands so far in the session. I'm up $680 and villain seems good, but has not won a single bet from me postflop. Not one. Every pot where I have put in money postflop I have taken down, but it didn't feel like villain was getting frustrated still. I've been playing 38/30/2.7 and I haven't shown down a single bluff, although I've been bluffing several times. Villain has been bluffing twice, and got caught both times. My image is still totally spotless.

I called a cbet and checked down KQ on a 2K445 board, intending to check raise river, but it was checked down. I think I got a slightly trappy image from that (or nitty if he thinks I wanted to check it down).

Villain is playing aggro 31/29/16.4 for the session so far, and he likes to bet/raise himself, but he is usually folding to my bets/raises. I'm actually not quite sure I'm beat here, but I called his river bet with ace high a couple of hands back (he had K high) and I don't want to be owned here by A9. My hand could easily be 57s or 33, but also A3/A4/A6/AA or a slowplayed flopped set (slowplaying against superaggro even on a drawy board is certainly a decent option).

Seat 4: VILLAIN ($3,210.10 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO [ KH,JH ] ($1,680.75 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
HERO posts blind ($5), VILLAIN posts blind ($10).

PRE-FLOP
HERO bets $30, VILLAIN bets $110, HERO calls $85.

FLOP [board cards 6H,KC,4C ] pot ($240)
VILLAIN bets $170, HERO calls $170.

TURN [board cards 6H,KC,4C,AD ] pot ($580)
VILLAIN checks, HERO checks.

RIVER [board cards 6H,KC,4C,AD,3S ] pot ($580)
VILLAIN bets $400, HERO bets $1,390.75 and is all-in...

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12-11-2007, 04:20 AM

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Is villain's line too obviously a bluff to be a bluff?

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12-11-2007, 05:24 AM

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if you showed me this hand up until your river action i wouldn't ever ever ever think of shoving.

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12-11-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Massimo

if you showed me this hand up until your river action i wouldn't ever ever ever think of shoving.

Well I really didn't think of shoving until he bet either. It just felt obvious that he has an ace here and that he should value bet it against my king. I don't think he is ever calling here without at least two pair and I really don't think he should either.

I'm usually trying to give a very solid image while at the same time bluffing as much as I can. When I get caught the first time I usually flip the switch and start value betting instead.

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12-11-2007, 06:48 AM

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i dont think the board is scary enough but i like the thinking

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12-11-2007, 09:23 AM

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i dont think the board is scary enough but i like the thinking

Thanks Gabe. I posted this because villain did fold (after long thinktank), but then I started to think that perhaps I made a pretty unnecessary (stupid) play at him. I was owning him for the whole session and afterwards I felt pretty lucky that I got away with this. He left the table after about 50 more hands, not having won a single pot with any kind of postflop action.

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12-11-2007, 05:21 PM

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this is a really great hand

I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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12-12-2007, 05:41 AM

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i hate that i cant comment on this hand too effectively.

its so sick.

i rly hate villain's betsizing in the hand. with ur image this seems like an awesome play. this is my favorite hand ive seen in months will comment more later.

I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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12-12-2007, 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

i hate that i cant comment on this hand too effectively.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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12-14-2007, 03:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

i hate that i cant comment on this hand too effectively.

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the most difficult part of this hand to make raising>calling is if
a) he will fold Ax
b) will he (maybe?) fold some 2pair combos
c) how often he shows up with Ax and not a bluff here

its so hard to tell without seeing every hand in the match- from a theoretical perspective this doesn't "look" like a great raise, but at the same time given the dynamics and betsizing and timing and stuff it could easily be a great play, specially with a tight image.

sweet hand tho

I got more flava than fruitstripe gum

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12-14-2007, 04:09 AM

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Wow really really weird hand. I feel like opp very well can be vbetting worse, however not enough of the time to warrant a call, and it's really odd to see a bluff here, you think you'd see it on the turn.
What i like about the shove is hes going to have to put you on a made hand turned into a bluff if he wants to call, putting you on clubs would be weird because thats raising the flop a lot.He's going to have a marginal hand here a lot, and its just going to take a lot of guts to call when you are repping a lot of stronger hands, albeit really not very many.

The main reason i think a shove is sick isn't really for any poker logical reason. It's simply because most of his range is one pair, and he'd going to have to make a big call where he is clearly going to be losing a fair amount when he does.

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12-14-2007, 09:20 AM

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Good points sauce and ISF.

With a worse image, this obviously turns into a great value shove spot with 33/57 and even with crap like Ac3c.

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