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Ravageur
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02-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Post subject: 4-bet pot with QQ vs nit BVB
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This isn't technically a HSNL hand, but it's in Euros so it's kinda close and I've just moved down from 5/10 and would really appreciate some input from successful hsnl'rs. These hands just continually seem to destroy me and I generally get this horrible line of thinking where in my head I'm saying 'logically I should be good here a lot but these players know i don't fold much and they are still betting so they have to have it'.
Villain is somehow a big winner in the game though he's pretty nitty. 17/13/5% 3-bet 2.8AF and his fold BB to steal is 85%. He should be aware that I've been getting it in preflop a ton today (he's on a bunch of my tables) and getting destroyed so I imagine he doesn't think I'm folding much after I 4-bet so I feel like he's likely shoving AK/AA for value. Btw I think i 4-bet a tad too small, 138ish would be better right?
I feel like I can't bet/call the flop profitably and if i open shove maybe i get looked up by JJ/10s sometimes but he probably folds those as well. I also feel like if I check it looks so damn strong since I'm betting my air here almost 100% of the time profitably since he's not playing back much. Can I just c/fold this flop? I know there is a serious leak in my thinking because I think a good player would just be thinking 'There are almost zero Kx hands he calls a 4-bet with except KQ and I have the QQ blockers so I have the nuts and should just let him bluff'. Only I really want to find a fold here.
Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, €5.00 BB (5 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP (€572.13)
Hero (SB) (€1267.06)
BB (€500)
UTG (€500)
Button (€730.05)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q
3 folds, Hero bets €20, BB raises to €58, Hero raises to €126, BB calls €126
Flop: (€252) 7, K , 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets €126, Hero calls €126
Turn: (€504) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
River: (€504) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB raises to €248 (All-In), Hero fak me
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Genitruc
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this guy is so nitty i d just bet the flop and give up if any more money went in the pot
vs a trickier player who might bluffshove this flop with air it d be a different story imo
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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nutsinho
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you should be betting like 68 on this flop with any hand.
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IowaSkinsFan
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you should be betting like 68 on this flop with any hand.
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Can you elaborate why you would do this?
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griffey24
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I agree with nuts on betting this flop. The board is so dry you can bet super small.
I just don't like c/c here and turning my hand face up. I'd rather bet here, like I would with my air, and keep my range as wide as possible.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pocketfours
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The funny thing is that he could actually have a seven. I would just fold river based on the fact that he is nitty. Your hand is completely defined and I don't really think he expects you to fold it here.
Certainly do not open shove this flop it makes no sense. A tiny bet is good, c/c is not bad but it puts you in this guessing game, which you might or might not want to avoid.
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Ravageur
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Hmm. I definitely hate my c/call and overbet does seem bad. So from what i've gathered betting flop is best, and small as well. I'm just trying to think what I would do if he calls. I imagine we are folding is he shoves.
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Family Cruise IMO
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Ravageur
Hmm. I definitely hate my c/call and overbet does seem bad. So from what i've gathered betting flop is best, and small as well. I'm just trying to think what I would do if he calls. I imagine we are folding is he shoves.
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Yah the only thing about a small bet like nutsinho suggested is that I think we're forced into bareling our entire range here since he might call flop so much lighter/more often.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Definitely bet the flop
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Numbr2intheWorld
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and on the river he's just not bluffing
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Ravageur
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yea you guys were all pretty spot on here. I checked the river intending to fold and then levelled myself into timebank calling and he had KJs.
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tstrout
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The SPR with his small stack is so low that leading out on the flop is the only way to play the hand. He can't call on a draw (there aren't any anyway) because there aren't the implied odds. You lead and he calls or raises, let it go and move on with your life 
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