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Numbr2intheWorld
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07-25-2009, 02:12 AM
Post subject: 3-bet pot against annette_15
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Thought this might generate some interesting discussion. We've been playing a while, she 3bets like 18%, somewhat polarized although i did see her 3-bet AT when we were shallower. She double barrels a good amount, seems basically capable of anything (but she isn't an aggrotard, she just is capable). I dont think ive even gotten in a hand where she double barrel and i called two streets in a 3-bet pot.
What she's seen of me: She's seen me raise Q3 on a QTT flop when we were shallower in a 3-bet pot and get it in. I sometimes 4bet bluff but dont 4bet often. She's seen many hands where ive taken passive lines with monsters on early streets.
fwiw on the flop, from the feel i got from her betsizing, the bet seemed weak. On the river it was pretty much an instashove.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($6136)
BB ($3454)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 , 7
Hero bets $60, BB raises to $240, Hero calls $180
Flop: ($480) 8 , K , 3 (2 players)
BB bets $260, Hero calls $260
Turn: ($1000) A (2 players)
BB bets $720, Hero calls $720
River: ($2440) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $2234 (All-In)
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Numbr2intheWorld
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also shes seen me call and showdown AJ on the flop here on a similar board.
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meeloche
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this
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Originally Posted by Massimo
She's seen many hands where ive taken passive lines with monsters on early streets.
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and this
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Originally Posted by Massimo
also shes seen me call and showdown AJ on the flop here on a similar board.
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makes me want to fold cause I don't expect her to think any deeper than that.
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elipsesjeff
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On this board she can have a lot of value hands that she'd be willing to do this with, possibly any Kx or Ax that the best play for her is to shove the river instead of c/f. From what I can tell her range is stronger than your own in this spot and there are probably better hands/situations to call her than an 8. Are we instacalling with KQo?
I also usually fold the turn here although I dont know how good that is since I know this is a good 2 barreling card for her. My very basic thought process is: she can value bet me thinly here so she's able to bluff me alot too.
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Renton
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man i would just fold turn, i know you didn't want to hear that
as for river only you really know if this is a call, its gonna look like a fold to any outsider, for all the standard reason: she can have a huge range of value, pot odds not great, no bluff combinations other than total air that decided to bet three streets, etc.
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Renton
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also I wonder about raising the flop for the simple purposes of narrowing your getting-hosed-on-the-turn-and-river range, and since you mentioned the history of raising weak top pairs in position.
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IowaSkinsFan
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i cant imagine calling here being +EV
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id fold turn and as played fold river- i think bad pot odds and really wide value range given how much she 3bets is good enough reasoning
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Numbr2intheWorld
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alright alright maybe not so interesting (interesting that i actually wanted to call). Sometimes i think my opponent is thinking or deeply than he or she is, meelooche made a good point.
I actually did call and lost to QJcc.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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id fold turn and as played fold river- i think bad pot odds and really wide value range given how much she 3bets is good enough reasoning
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hmm, that's why i thought the AJ was relevant, it shrinks her value range. But i think as meelooche pointed out it probably just encourages her not to bluff.
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wakeboarrder
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lol i got alot to learn if this river call is even worth considering..sigh
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