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Numbr2intheWorld
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04-15-2010, 12:37 AM
Post subject: 3/6 with antes, "big" draw
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Sat down 1 hand ago. The two villains in the hands i'm 100% positive are regulars but i don't have many reads. I played with the button HU like a year ago and from what i remember he was kind of a nit but thought he was good if that makes sense.
I thought i'd raise the flop because i have decent FE and my hand is disguised, but i think it's debatable. And then this happens and im thinking... now what.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($1595.40)
Hero (SB) ($1500)
BB ($2807.10)
UTG ($1466.20)
MP ($1377.80)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 8
2 folds, Button bets $21, Hero calls $18, BB calls $15
Flop: ($69) 8 , 4, K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $42, Hero raises to $132, BB raises to $387, 1 fold, Hero ????
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Alexos
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id just fold
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sauce123
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id probably shove ? tough spot- if his range is 44 exactly id folc
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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pocketfours
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I'd fold.
Edit: thought BU 3bet.
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sauce123
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id probably never fold, if he has 44 i lose i guess. show me 65dd, 76dd, 75dd, bluff, ATdd, A7dd etc enough.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
13,860 games 0.077 secs 180,000 games/sec
Board: Kd 4d 8c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.226% 52.22% 00.01% 7237 1.50 { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 47.774% 47.76% 00.01% 6620 1.50 { 88, 44, AdTd, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, K8s, QdJd, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d }
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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ESS123
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dno how often this is gunna be just the nut fd, think that range is a bit optimistic. I would probably just lead the flop fwiw
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Alexos
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I would never expect him to have that many FDs in his range, let alone non-nut ones.
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i put exactly one non nut FD (QJdd) then some combos of the nfd + combos of 13 out combo draws
you have to subtract a lot of hands before it becomes a fold, typically i wouldnt subtract enough at the table
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Alexos
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yah upon further review it does seem like a flip vs his range if he's remotely aggro
although given he has position on us and very deep stacks, isnt there a decent chance he peels some draws instead of reppoping? idk
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pocketfours
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Can't see much FE. Why do we want to flip?
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sauce123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexos
yah upon further review it does seem like a flip vs his range if he's remotely aggro
although given he has position on us and very deep stacks, isnt there a decent chance he peels some draws instead of reppoping? idk
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alexos- theres definitely some people who are just going to have 44 all the time and against them you should fold. that might be a lot of people at 3/6 or it might not.
p4s- if you are flipping vs his range and you fold you just lit money on fire. dont light money on fire.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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pocketfours
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Sigh.
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yup.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Aren't we 250 BB deep here? I think call deserves to be discussed. Sure it will put us in some tough turn spots, but I don't really like just shoving this deep (seems like ppl aren't getting it in with just bare draws here all that much this deep) but we're getting the right odds to call vs a set aren't we? Seems like every once in a while villain can have stuff like top pair that turns itself into a kind of blocker bluff (i do this sometimes) when we think we can be good but hate calling and don't want to stack off.
Anyway, I like a call and reevaluate.
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Family Cruise IMO
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sauce123
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noooo call ravageur, there are zero turn cards in the deck we can play well against
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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sauce123
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which means 'reevaluate' is really bad
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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this seems like the worst possible good hand to c/r the flop with
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Why? Is it because when i hit i'm gonna be in tough spots sometimes?
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because if he bets teh flop with T8 he's not folding, and if he bets the flop with A4dd he's not folding, but if he bets the flop in position with A4o then he can't fold because u didnt raise
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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so basically i totally butchered this hand haha
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Results?
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sauce123
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max folded guaranteed
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
max folded guaranteed
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qft
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gabe
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crazy fold !!
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Iwind
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A fold? really, oh well guess that's why I'm not playing high stakes anymore hehe
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Numbr2intheWorld
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lol wow Iwind... been a long time
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Nice hand. I like more a fold, because I do not think that many of drawing hands are in villain's zone. A typical opponent is more often call with a pocket pair preflop, than with the suited hands, that sauce123 listed. Eventually he is more often 3bet pre with the suited hands.
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