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Old 08-25-2007, 04:30 AM     Post subject: 3/6 - 3barrel in 3bet pot #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is a 3/6 regular, 23/15/2.3 over a lot of hands. We don't have a ton of history, but I've seen him float cbets in 3bet pots before. I've been playing tight this session but have 3bet him once in position and he folded.

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UTG: $898.05
UTG+1: $636
CO: $144.75
Button: $610.40
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Hero: $629.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T T
3 folds, Button raises to $21, SB folds, Hero raises to $66, Button calls.

Flop: 4 J Q ($135, 2 players)
Hero bets $90, Button calls.

Turn: 7 ($315, 2 players)
Hero bets $150, Button calls.

River: 9 ($615, 2 players)
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Old 08-25-2007, 04:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I think I really really like the idea behind it. He's clearly calling a wide range of hands here that will fold the river (Ahj,AhK, AhT) Yet note the similarity is they are all the same scared card, and Ace and a heart (K and T are also kinda bad).

Although it still seems like too many outs to want to do this too as it at best has something like 75% equity.

I think a real interesting part of the hand is a flop. Versus more passive opponents i'd consider checking the flop.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i check flop like always here

as played i check/fold turn
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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sauce: c/f flop I assume? I think once he calls the turn a river push is very +ev. But you're probably right that I shouldn't have gotten there in the first place.

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 I think as played river push is very good.

I think we c/f the flop a lot. I'm wondering when we should c/c?
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 I'm thinking we'll get a check behind a lot when our opponent doesn't have a hand. I think sometimes an opponent will be like "wtf Q high flop and no cbet? Must be a trap!" and check behind.
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Old 08-25-2007, 04:43 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Doesn't c/c'ing this flop scream that we have a pair worse than AQ?

I don't check many flops after 3betting unless I'm planning on c/f'ing. I guess I should think about trapping for balance once in awhile. Although post-flop play in 3bet pots doesn't happen often enough that balance is all that important imo. Someone would have to play a ton of hands against me and take really good notes to know that I almost always c/f after 3betting and rarely c/c or c/r.
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Old 08-26-2007, 04:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i just think ur going to outplayed here almost no matter what u do so id check and try to get to showdown
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:25 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 I would rather call here OoP with TT preflop, but raising is fine too.

I hate bluffing postflop with only 2 outs and with more cards to come (especially on drawy boards), unless you really need to bluff so badly that you can't wait for better situations.

Your river push is too small, so I'm not very keen about it. I think representing a flush or an overpair by c/r turn would have been slightly better. I don't get the small bet on the turn, what was the point of that? It looks like a blocker, but then on the river you suddenly like your hand enough to push, which to me looks strange (you are kind of representing AhXh, which can be hard to believe). Sometimes you will get value from a smaller pair here because of that.

All in all, I think you made a lot of marginal plays here, nothing horrible, but certainly nothing exemplary. Boldly played though, I'll give you that
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 in a BU versus blinds battle threebetting TT is way more frequent than calling for me. It's probably the middle of my threebetting range. If he raised UTG I see a good argument but people tend to call so light on the BU in these situations.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I don't like how you played that at all......

PF I may lean toward the idea of him making a move on me, but then simply c/c on flop and turn with two over's and a straight draw.

Out of curiousity, did he had AQ/AJ or KQ/KJ? Or maybe even 4/4
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:54 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Out of curiousity, did he had AQ/AJ or KQ/KJ? Or maybe even 4/4
He folded. I don't think any of those hands are calling the turn except AhQx/AhJx maybe KhQ, other hands are pushing or folding the turn imo. And I think AhJx/KhQx fold to the river push.

Thanks for the comments everyone. I agree that flop and turn were poorly played.
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