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Old 01-20-2008, 05:36 AM     Post subject: 2/4 Deep versus Raszi #1 (permalink)  
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 This hand is either really good or really stupid, not unlikely whatsoever the latter.

Opp is Raszi, a very good player who has been seemingly just trying to run everyone over with light threebetting, especially me who he probably has down as very loose pre and spewy. I am actually probably playing 16/14 this session. Deep I feel like his threebet range may get even lighter. Flop he instacalled the raise. River was a pretty quick bet as well. I really feel like this river bet size was a leak of his range, I was really pretty sure he'd either shove or closer to pot river with nuts or value, but maybe im wrong. There's really not much basis for that, besides the fact ive seen him be very close to pot as default.

I haven't really gotten out of line, i have been aggro threebetting as well though. I think pretty much every street but the turn is in question.

PokerStars Game #14686183887: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/01/20 - 01:19:40 (ET)
Table 'Risha V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Reef Agate ($261.10 in chips)
Seat 2: Tr3CooL ($400.10 in chips)
Seat 3: heybude ($1046.70 in chips)
Seat 4: smnrgg81 ($408.15 in chips)
Seat 5: belabeans ($124.10 in chips)
Seat 6: RaSZi ($792.20 in chips)
RaSZi: posts small blind $2
Reef Agate: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Kd Ac]
Tr3CooL: folds
heybude: raises $12 to $16
smnrgg81: folds
belabeans: folds
RaSZi: raises $44 to $60
Reef Agate: folds
heybude: calls $44
*** FLOP *** [Qh 6c 6h]
RaSZi: bets $80
heybude: raises $80 to $160
RaSZi: calls $80
*** TURN *** [Qh 6c 6h] [Jd]
RaSZi: checks
heybude: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh 6c 6h Jd] [4s]
Tr3CooL leaves the table
RaSZi: bets $316
Takeover1 joins the table at seat #2
heybude: calls $316
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:40 AM #2 (permalink)  
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given how u got to the river id shove before i called
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 01-20-2008, 03:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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given how u got to the river id shove before i called
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Old 01-20-2008, 05:46 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 WELL, clearly i shouldn't even post here anymore because my thinking is just soooo much better than you dumbasses, because i obv snap called and he showed me the missed flush draw that he'll have 98.7% of the time.

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Old 01-20-2008, 05:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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WELL, clearly i shouldn't even post here anymore because my thinking is just soooo much better than you dumbasses, because i obv snap called and he showed me the missed flush draw that he'll have 98.7% of the time.

pssshhhhhhh why do i even waste my time with you people
if u can play this hand after the flop minraise vs raszi for a profit i tip my hat to u.
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
 
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Old 01-20-2008, 06:00 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 01-20-2008, 06:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i mean nice river play i think thats fine with the bet sizing but yea
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:36 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 Not 4betting pre because?
 
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Old 02-06-2008, 07:03 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Not 4betting pre because?
Because we are 200BB deep.

I don't get your minraise on the flop, but the river is totally standard call.
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:05 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Not 4betting pre because?
Because we are 200BB deep.

I don't get your minraise on the flop, but the river is totally standard call.
I have no clue how to play deep. Why is 4betting AK bad?
 
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:46 AM #12 (permalink)  
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4-bet, then shove flop, then fold the river


in that order
 
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 Dude we're supposed to fold the river after we shoved the flop?????? What??????
 
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Dude we're supposed to fold the river after we shoved the flop?????? What??????
If you're actually serious he means fold river as played.

Bmx 4 betting is ofc a good option but calling is fine no?
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:57 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 Yea that was a jopke.
 
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Old 02-08-2008, 02:48 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 can i just ask as an interested spectator why he can't have AQ/KK/AA queens full/ some kind of 6 and with his image hoping to get called on this river? is it because he has no reason to believe ISF would bet this turn?
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Calling the river there, seems like your 3rd mistake. Much better to fire on the turn, and re-establish dominance of the hand, b4 the river.

Your opponent shows weakness or a mastery of playing top set full, by check trapping, though the push on the river seems desperate by him..
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:21 PM #18 (permalink)  
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hands u beat by the river that he 3bets: 78 89 9T AT KT

of these listed, hands that he floats your flop minraise out of position to bluff the river: i think none. maybe flush draws, in which case he'd have to think that your minraise polarizes your range so he figures cheap draw to a flush? but why would he do this w/ a paired board if he thinks your range is polarized as he would be drawing dead ...if that's his thinking, why doesn't he just put in another raise on the flop w/ hands that have no SD value ?

only other thing i can think of is he interprets your minraise to mean you wanna see a river card cheap and that you're on the FD, in which case he'd want to do this if in fact he has what he's reppin ... queens full

but thats just me thinking out loud
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:25 PM #19 (permalink)  
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btw, i 4bet this preflop all day, especially if he's 3betting light ...
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:42 PM #20 (permalink)  
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any thoguhts on my analysis? just curious if anybody thinks about this the same as i do or if there anybody has a very different interpretation.
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looks pretty standard
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