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gabe
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08-29-2006, 05:40 AM
Post subject: 10/20 SH turns checks through and i check nuts on river
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no reads, ill explain thought process later. FWIW this was a full table that was just filling up.
hate it or love it?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($1960)
Hero ($2087.50)
BB ($825.75)
UTG ($1597.50)
MP ($1956.50)
CO ($1558.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 , A. Hero posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $40, 1 fold, CO calls $40, Button calls $40, Hero (poster) calls $30, BB calls $20.
Flop: ($200) A , 2, T (5 players)
Hero bets $150, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $150, Button folds.
Turn: ($500) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.
River: ($500) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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 . you may lose value from Jc, but I think you greatly increase the chance of winning a nice pot from Qc/Kc. And if he has none of it this is clearly the play.
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Irisheyes
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I like. Not many cards call if you bet. Many mav bluff if you checks though.
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bdawg56kg
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Why not bet the turn? Do you think he's peeling the flop with a hand like top pair and will fold to a turn lead? What was your plan if he bet 350-400 on the turn? I think c/r is crappy bc he folds everything but flushes, and if you c/c you risk having a 4th club come that will kill your action or the board pairing.
Since you checked the turn I like the river check though.
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theDEEPdish
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I love this play alot he's prolly going to bluff a lot of hands and its good for your image
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PU$$Y
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you play weird gabe
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gabe
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Why not bet the turn?
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i figured there was a good chance of him having a flush or a hand that couldnt call a bet
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Warpe
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Was your intention to c/r the turn? Or c/c lead? A lot of players wouldn't be able to stop themselves from betting this river. I like if you're confident that he'll take a stab.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I like if you're confident that he'll take a stab.
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He isn't.
Its simply more expected value than betting, because the only hands that would call a bet on this river would bet themselves if checked to.
NH
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Was your intention to c/r the turn? Or c/c lead? A lot of players wouldn't be able to stop themselves from betting this river. I like if you're confident that he'll take a stab.
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c/r
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I like if you're confident that he'll take a stab.
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He isn't.
Its simply more expected value than betting, because the only hands that would call a bet on this river would bet themselves if checked to.
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Succinctly put.
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gabe
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ok well i checked, he bet 200 with KcQs, i made it 1k and he called. i think this line is best here but most people wouldn't check river very much after the turn c/r misses.
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Genitruc
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I love check turn, check river w monster.
Either that or bet turn when you complete vs fish cuz usually they think "no way he's betting that flush if he just made it".
vnh
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Seasider
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I like the move, just used it at the low stakes and stacked a guy slow playing his set of 9's, I wont darken the high staked forum with the HH 
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Aquinas
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I-hate-it....bet-the-turn...bet-the-turn...bet-the-turn...River-is-good...
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ripjohngotti
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You play Baby Ace Suited and the time in 100 it hits, you dont bet for value.
I voted hate
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30%
Still looking for my royal flush.
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by ripjohngotti
You play Baby Ace Suited and the time in 100 it hits, you dont bet for value.
I voted hate
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OWNED
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Bmxicle
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Why not bet the turn? Do you think he's peeling the flop with a hand like top pair and will fold to a turn lead? What was your plan if he bet 350-400 on the turn? I think c/r is crappy bc he folds everything but flushes, and if you c/c you risk having a 4th club come that will kill your action or the board pairing.
Since you checked the turn I like the river check though.
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and we have a winnar...
bet turn, but as played i the river.
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midas06
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Originally Posted by "ripjohngotti'
three types of poker. Solid, Brave, Fancy.
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THIS FALLS UNDER OPTION 3 !!11! TERRIBLE PLAY GABE
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gabe
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i didnt bet turn because i thought it would be easier to stack him if he had smaller clubs. if the PFR had called my flop bet i think i would have bet again because his hand range is more defined.
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This line is awesome, he is probably going to bet a high club (or nothing) if checked to, and may think you're FOS and call a substantial check raise. I think leading the river would be better if the river was a blank definitely.
Nh, you play good.
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johnny_fish
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i didnt bet turn because i thought it would be easier to stack him if he had smaller clubs.
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Don't know anything about 2K NL, but this doesn't seem right. A low flush is more likely to get away from a c/r than a lead.
And what about sets/2p?
As played, river.
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Bmxicle
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By betting the turn he can raise you with sets, two pair, bluffs AND flush's. If he does this you have a nice out of control pot with THe nuts, which is exactly what you want. If you don't bet the turn the pot is still nicely in control, if he bets the turn and you checkraise you make your hand brutally obvious and ONLY get paid off by other flushes. You are giving the most hands an opportunity to fold whilst only getting marginally more value out of him by trying to check raise.
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ilikeaces86
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bmxicle get on AIM
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