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ilikeaces86
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08-17-2006, 05:26 PM
Post subject: 10/20 NL Blind Battle
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I am in the BB with   it is folded around to the sb who completes he has 3.5k and I cover. He is very loose passive and completes way too many hands in this spot. I raise to $80 he calls.
Flop comes    He checks I put out a standard 2/3 pot bet of $140 he calls.
Turn is  He checks I bet $300 he calls.
River is  He checks. How much do I bet? Obv I probably fold to raise.
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johnny_fish
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The most likely hand that could pay you off is 7x right? Could he call the turn with 33-66? He'd raise 99+ preflop.. I guess with 1/2 pot there's a good chance to get a call of a 7.
He might put you on a bluff if you bet closer to pot, you could try that if he likes to make big calls.
edit: JT makes sense too.
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
The most likely hand that could pay you off is 7x right? Could he call the turn with 33-66? He'd raise 99+ preflop.. I guess with 1/2 pot there's a good chance to get a call of a 7.
He might put you on a bluff if you bet closer to pot, you could try that if he likes to make big calls.
edit: JT makes sense too.
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I would agree the most likely hand that would pay me off is 7x but he is so passive he probably wouldnt raise 22-99 here and he i loose enough he would def call flop with pair below board J10,910, 56, Maybe even two random overs.
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Rondavu
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$500 seems perfect.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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lolzzz_321
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Triptanes: 300
Triptanes: and induce a raise ai
Triptanes: then call
Triptanes: and he has aa
Ilikeaces86: why would I want him to go all in
Triptanes: becasue u want hios money on uir account
Triptanes: -gabe
Ilikeaces86: lol
Triptanes: id bet 500 ftw
Ilikeaces86: ya I bet 600
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Triptanes: 300
Triptanes: and induce a raise ai
Triptanes: then call
Triptanes: and he has aa
Ilikeaces86: why would I want him to go all in
Triptanes: becasue u want hios money on uir account
Triptanes: -gabe
Ilikeaces86: lol
Triptanes: id bet 500 ftw
Ilikeaces86: ya I bet 600
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against some they might do that with missed flush draw, but definitely not this villian. i think 600 is fine.
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ilikeaces86
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what if the river is a 2 of hearts and he checks?
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gabe
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i think you could vb the same amount
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
what if the river is a 2 of hearts and he checks?
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He's not checking a flush on this river. He's going to know there's not a wide enough range you feel you're ahead of in that spot to value bet, but may call a value bet yourself enough times. That being said, I would bet the same amount, and probably get called less.
I think my point is changing your river value bet based on this other scenerio isn't going to give you more or less long term value. Just my opinion on this rather advanced concept.
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i think you could vb the same amount |
Just read this and realized how long winded I am. Exactly.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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ilikeaces86
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Some passive fish like to check when they hit the flush in that spot tho. But I guess folding to a raise it doesnt really matter tho it may affect your EV in value betting in that spot.
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Some passive fish like to check when they hit the flush in that spot tho.
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Fair enough. I forgot that you mentioned villain is passive. They especially do this with mid flushes, and this is more likely in a blind battle. It really kind of comes down to if he calls your value bet more often than he has the flush here. One thing is for sure against the passive villain though. If you bet and he raises, you know exactly where you're at, so it's an easy fold.
Given the passive nature of the villain, and the thin value call range at hand coupled with the blinds increasing his mid suited range, I may check behind a flush card.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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mcatdog
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Is he bad enough to call 3 barrels with 66?
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gabe
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
Is he bad enough to call 3 barrels with 66?
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its not bad to call down here with 66 against the right players.. ilikeaces didnt say how the villian might see him.
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
Is he bad enough to call 3 barrels with 66?
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its not bad to call down here with 66 against the right players.. ilikeaces didnt say how the villian might see him. |
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