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pocketfours

05-12-2010, 08:05 AM Post subject: 10/20: few hands line check

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Taking a shot as tables seemed soft. Never played with any villains before. Was playing nittyish 21/17/11%.

Hand 1:
Villain is unknown 32/27/11% LAG reg, ATS 57% small sample.

UTG ($10057.50)
MP ($3422)
Button ($3937)
SB ($2010)
Hero (BB) ($3971)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, 9

3 folds, SB bets $60, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($120) 3

, 2

, 9

(2 players)
SB bets $100, Hero calls $100

Turn: ($320) A

(2 players)
SB bets $260, Hero calls $260

River: ($840) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $720, Hero raises to $3551 (All-In), $870 for villain to call.

Hand 2:
Villain is a reg. Insignificant sample for stats. Preflop is loose I guess but it can't be too bad. Flop plan was c/r and river plan was c/f. Should I lead this flop instead? Should I b/f river?

Hero (BB) ($2000)
UTG ($3173)
MP ($1340.75)
CO ($9461)
Button ($2030)
SB ($2490)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 10

2 folds, CO bets $60, Button calls $60, SB calls $50, Hero calls $40

Flop: ($240) 10

, 8

, A

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: ($240) 8

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $200, CO calls $200, 2 folds

River: ($640) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks with intention to c/f unless he bets very small.

Hand 3:
Villain is a fish, bought in uneven amount and plays only one table. Stats at 30/19/5% small sample, seemed pretty aggro. Best flop line?

Button ($2000)
SB ($2000)
BB ($8600)
Hero (UTG) ($2037)
MP ($7186)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, Q

Hero bets $70, MP calls $70, 3 folds

Flop: ($170) 3

, 8

, A

(2 players)
Hero bets $120, MP raises to $390, Hero raises to $1967 (All-In)...

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IowaSkinsFan

05-12-2010, 10:02 PM

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Hand 1: I think this is terrible
Hand 2: I'd lead flop, rest seems fine.
Hand 3: I think I'd just fold to the flop raise, this seems like the 2nd best alternative.

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05-13-2010, 04:53 AM

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1- wat? sick scandi bluff!
2- id fold pre most likely unless one of them is a fish. i don't like a flop lead, rather let CO cbet and tarp them all in between! I'd prob vbet river if it wasn't a spade.

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05-13-2010, 10:45 AM

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hand 1 - I really think ppl call too much bvb just cause they have position. Maybe it's just me but I think having the initiative (from sb) is often >> position (from bb) in spots where both ppl are likely to miss

hand 2 - pre is meh, but I'm with ISF and I'd lead in a spot like this where I don't expect a light cbet and c/r will look mega strong. CO can still have all aces.. I don't mind a halfpotish value bet here.

hand 3 - unless he bluff raises flops a lot, I guess b/f is best.

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05-13-2010, 06:59 PM

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does anyone like raising flop in hand 1

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05-14-2010, 12:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

does anyone like raising flop in hand 1

That's interesting. I was actually considering raising the flop in hand 1, but then I didn't because of another relevant hand just a few orbits back where he donkbet top pair against my UTG open and I thought he would perhaps give a raise more credit than normal because of it.

MP ($9880.50)
Button ($3532)
SB ($3887)
BB ($3655)
Hero (UTG) ($2047)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

, 7

Hero bets $70, 3 folds, BB calls $50

Flop: ($150) 7

, Q

, 5

(2 players)
BB bets $120, Hero raises to $320, BB calls $200

Turn: ($790) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $470, BB calls $470

River: ($1730) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1187 (All-In), BB calls $1187

Total pot: $4104 | Rake: $3

Results:
BB had Q

, K

(one pair, Queens).
Hero had 7

, 7

(three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $4101

He clearly thought I was spazzing and was wrong, so I thought he wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

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05-14-2010, 01:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Hand 1: I think this is terrible

I don't know why you hate the play, I at least don't think my shove looks too much like a bluff, even in a vacuum. Should I just have called instead?

I also thought my shove would get more credit because of the 77 hand, since now he could think that I would want to slowplay a turned flush (because he should think that I will expect my raises to be respected).

My own assessment was that I couldn't call his river bet profitably because he could easily be making a thin bet with a flopped overpair or turned top pair (MAYBE even flopped TPGK but that would be sick). I certainly didn't think he has a flush very often at all and we know he doesn't have the nuts at least.

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05-14-2010, 02:22 AM

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I quite like hand 1, I mean Villain can't know much about hero, so he won't know hero is capable of bluffing here. What a sick spot it is if an unknown shoves on you there, even if you are getting good odds, what would be the bottom of your calling range?

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05-14-2010, 03:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadstool

I agree its a sick spot to bluff. I'd like it infinitely more if villain bet like 620ish, but his sizing is very strong here I feel.

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05-17-2010, 06:31 PM

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yeah hand 1 is sick, it's scary since his river bet is so big but it's also pretty likely that that size was chosen to avoid inducing a shove that he doesn't want to have to deal with. I mean....let's say Villain posted that hand and he has AQ, I think everyone says 'snapfold' right?

Hand 2 : I think you can valuebet river.

Hand 3 : Fold flop I think...seems like ppl aren't attacking c-bets on these types of boards too often because ppl like you think they're FOS and will shove any draw/made hand.

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05-20-2010, 01:59 AM

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for hand 3 I prefer flat the flop raise and check/shove turn most betsizes

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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05-20-2010, 03:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

I like this in a spot where there is a lot of thin one pair value. I disagree with your assessment that he is making a thin bet on the river with a flopped overpair or turned top pair. I think if this is the case you will see some fairly obvious long timing before the bet, but I'm not sure you don't see a check anyways. If I don't have that tell or some sort of tell you have a situation where a set will likely convince themselves to call given the vibe of opp.

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05-20-2010, 03:29 PM

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Also, his river bet was big making me think its not thin value as well.

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05-21-2010, 02:33 PM

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I think this is an obvious thin value spot for a tard with 57% ATS in blind battle. Even more so considering he just lost a big pot.

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