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IowaSkinsFan
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07-26-2008, 03:19 PM
Post subject: 10/20 easy squeeze situation
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KidAcid is like 33/25 pretty aggro player. I think he's squeezing light in this spot. I figure its a decent spot to bluff but that maybe AQ is better than air since he may call a raise.
POKERSTARS GAME #19114359405: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2008/07/26 - 10:49:44 (ET)
Table 'Ilsewa' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bojjo ($1327 in chips)
Seat 2: KidAcid ($3182 in chips)
Seat 3: pandaCHAN12 ($4843 in chips)
Seat 4: heybude ($3079 in chips)
Seat 5: tjbentham ($1970 in chips)
Seat 6: djalminha ($2174 in chips)
pandaCHAN12: posts small blind $10
heybude: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Qh As]
tjbentham: folds
djalminha: raises $40 to $60
bojjo: calls $60
KidAcid: raises $180 to $240
pandaCHAN12: folds
heybude:
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gabe
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so make it 520 and fold if another raise gets put in? if he was SB i think u could call
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sauce123
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yes, you can 4bet/fold AQ
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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wufwugy
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strikes me as a mistake to 4bet/fold AQ here because AQ is at the top of the range of hands that are not good enough to 4bet/felt. shouldnt we then elect to get more value from AQ by calling instead of turning it into a bluff?
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
strikes me as a mistake to 4bet/fold AQ here because AQ is at the top of the range of hands that are not good enough to 4bet/felt. shouldnt we then elect to get more value from AQ by calling instead of turning it into a bluff?
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This would be correct if we could profitably call in this spot, but we can't.
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wufwugy
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
strikes me as a mistake to 4bet/fold AQ here because AQ is at the top of the range of hands that are not good enough to 4bet/felt. shouldnt we then elect to get more value from AQ by calling instead of turning it into a bluff?
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This would be correct if we could profitably call in this spot, but we can't. |
since its ahead of villains range why not?
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EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
strikes me as a mistake to 4bet/fold AQ here because AQ is at the top of the range of hands that are not good enough to 4bet/felt. shouldnt we then elect to get more value from AQ by calling instead of turning it into a bluff?
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This would be correct if we could profitably call in this spot, but we can't. |
since its ahead of villains range why not? |
we are going to be out of position. thats why gabe said if he had squeezed from the sb then maybe we could call.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
strikes me as a mistake to 4bet/fold AQ here because AQ is at the top of the range of hands that are not good enough to 4bet/felt. shouldnt we then elect to get more value from AQ by calling instead of turning it into a bluff?
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This would be correct if we could profitably call in this spot, but we can't. |
since its ahead of villains range why not? |
Cause someone might shove back over us, if we flat the 3-bet
Also he's the aggressor, and we miss the flop so often. We plan on stacking no matter what comes? Probably won't end up being too profitable. Villain is in a situation now where our hand looks like KK/AA so he can probably easily get away from any board and can bet out if he infact has these strong hands.
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wufwugy
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having the initiative doesn't really matter, and i dont think that position matters once we hit the kind of PSR we'll see here on flop. this is because if we're putting any more in the pot on flop then we're committed. not having pos here then only becomes an issue inasmuch as its less likely that we will get more in on flop since villain can check behind, but the higher the likelyhood of that happening then the higher our implied odds are pf.
what it boils down to then is the correct frequencies of actions postflop. if we read ranges well then we can come out profitably here.
i dont think the problem of somebody coming over the top matters since its not gonna be any worse than when we 4bet and they come over the top. maybe when we flat they will come over a teeny bit more often, but we also lose less. they may not even come over any more at all since our hand does look like a monster.
my point here is that our hand can call for value against everybody's range so far, but raising is a bluff. we should then call here and save raising for hands that cannot call. this obv isn't the case if AQ cannot call for value, but i think the truth is that this is just a very hard spot to see a flop with AQ even though i think it is technically correct.
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sauce123
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wu- in nlh, pot sizes increase exponentially with each bet which gets put in
therefore, when the pot gets big it becomes similarly important to be at the very top of our range (or firmly nearer the bottom but thats another story)
so it shoudnt be counterintuitive that there are situations where its not bad to turn hands near the top of our folding range into bluffs because AK is just infinitely more powerful than AQ in this spot... and we are only motivated to get AK in because of the money already in the pot
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Renton
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Maybe i'm over simplifying this but it looks like a fold.
You could 4bet as a bluff, but then again you could do that with any ace or king in this spot for roughly similar ev's, so in that case the fact that you have AQ is roughly irrelevant/incidental so you should just 4-bet bluff here with whatever frequency you do it.
Prob a dumb question. Would there be any decision at all here if stacks were 100bb?
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