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Old 04-14-2006, 05:44 PM     Post subject: You're the villain #1 (permalink)  
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I'm curious as to how this comes off. You're the villain with AdQd. Do you call?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.85
UTG+1: $16.75
MP1: $4.84
Hero: $24.75
MP3: $8.18
CO: $15.71
Button: $28.09
SB: $33.05
BB: $51.68

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with ??
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 4 7 A ($3.65, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $1.5, Hero calls, CO folds.

Turn: 6 ($6.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls.

River: 3 ($12.65, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $19.25, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: $51.15
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:54 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I don't.

This hand is from the "don't overplay TPGK" files...why the river push if Hero didn't have a made hand that knocks me silly? And in any event, the pot odds suck. Why bother? Move on...
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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What if you (the villain) had AA?

If you had the Ah as one of your AA?
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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It's not what you have, it's what you give the villain credit for. He's not committed by any means on that river. If he hasn't been pushing all in to bluff people, then chances are he simply has better than ONE pair.

Even if an unknown villain is capable of pushing a worse hand on that river, I typically give him a mulligan for stacks if my hand isn't all that strong. I just don't know him yet. A lot of this is relationship dependant.
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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maybe...entirely read dependent
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Old 04-14-2006, 11:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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...I typically give him a mulligan for stacks if my hand isn't all that strong. I just don't know him yet. A lot of this is relationship dependant.
By "give him a mulligan for stacks", you mean give the pusher credit for a strong hand and fold (I don't know golf lingo, so I have to ask to clarify)?

Anyway, I had 6d5d and he waited until the very last second of his timebank to call. I was wondering if I would've been better off value betting in this spot. I had no read on this guy (this was only the 5th hand played in the session with him)-- I thought it was worth a shot at his stack if he couldn't lay down TPTK or a set of aces (and that he didn't have Ah-K/Q/Jh obviously). And I seem to see the runner-runner flush possiblity boards get bluffed at a lot and was hoping that this overbet looked like a bluff at a flush.
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