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spino1i

10-12-2005, 07:44 PM Post subject: Your play here? Tough river decision

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Whats your play here and why? No read on villains.

PokerStars Game #2786981193: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/10/12 - 15:39:43 (ET)
Table 'Prieska' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PSUinNY ($245.25 in chips)
Seat 3: EvilEcstasy ($176.15 in chips)
Seat 4: goose58 ($478 in chips)
Seat 5: Jerry_KGB93 ($215.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Pulp_X ($230.80 in chips)
Seat 7: tracer3232 ($252.70 in chips)
Seat 8: fattyhalfman ($93.65 in chips)
Seat 9: poolboy777 ($83 in chips)
goose58: posts small blind $1
Jerry_KGB93: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EvilEcstasy [Kc As]
Pulp_X: folds
tracer3232: folds
fattyhalfman: raises $2 to $4
poolboy777: folds
PSUinNY: folds
EvilEcstasy: raises $6 to $10
goose58: folds
reddog03 joins the table at seat #2
Jerry_KGB93: calls $8
fattyhalfman: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [8c 7c Jc]
Jerry_KGB93: checks
fattyhalfman: checks
EvilEcstasy: checks
*** TURN *** [8c 7c Jc] [Qs]
Jerry_KGB93: bets $4
fattyhalfman: calls $4
EvilEcstasy: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [8c 7c Jc Qs] [Ts]
Jerry_KGB93: checks
fattyhalfman: bets $26
EvilEcstasy: ???

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10-12-2005, 08:06 PM

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I dunno about the higher limits, but the minraise on the low tables indicates a pocket pair or some dork raising K8o from early position.
Maybe he has 7s, 8s - probably would have at least bet the flop though - if he has the flush he would have bet the flop unless it was the nut flush - some posibility that he has Ax clubs...though he could have QT, 9s, etc.
Looks like an easy call. Sucky thing is that the other guy has yet to act - most likely will fold though. You can always raise for information but that's fairly expensive at this point - especially if he pushes you just have to lay it down.
I would tend to just call and give up $26 more dollars if he has the flush.
Would depend a lot on reads on this person too - which you don't have...

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10-13-2005, 12:39 AM

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instacall. i have trouble giving anyone credit for a flopped flush, especially when there are 5 cards that close together. he minraised preflop which could represent a number of things, suited connecters, low pocket pairs, high pocket pairs....there are way too many hands you can beat here that he could be holding to fold this. could have 77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ, QT,QJ,TJ,87, AK, AA,KK. the only thing that is weird is the overbet on the river, but that could also be a missed draw. i wouldnt worry about the guy that has to act after you, it looks like he doesnt have anything.

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10-13-2005, 01:24 AM

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i also just call. he could do this with more than just a flopped flush, the bet isn't THAT big, the other guy is just going to fold, etc.

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10-13-2005, 01:37 AM

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But you dont think raising is a good idea?

I mean I could see him doing that with a lower straight but im not sure...

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10-13-2005, 03:36 AM

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i dunno, i can't decide. I personally just call, i don't have the gamb0l for a raise here, but its an interesting idea that might be +EV if you can deal with the times you get reraised.

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10-13-2005, 03:57 AM

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I minraise.

Jerry is definitely folding behind you, and I don't see fatty with a flush. I think if you get a call, it's a crying call with a nine or a split.

Don't know my play if he pushes. Probably fold without a read...

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10-13-2005, 04:01 AM

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yea see that's what i've been thinking over. I actually think a minraise is a good idea here, because if you do get reraised you can just fold it, but the lower straight or set will probably call. I change my mind, i vote minraise or small raise anyway.

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10-13-2005, 04:06 AM

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I would just call. If he has the flush then you don't lose much, if he doesn't then you win some money. If you go to the river with AK and two players, you are usually lucky to make any money most of the time.

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10-13-2005, 04:26 AM

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This is a call here. I don't want to minimum raise and have some overzealous set reraise me and make me fold. Calling is +EV here; you're ahead of enough hands that do what was done here to justify a call.

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10-13-2005, 05:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

Absolutely. I see a set re-raising and trying to represent the flush. Why make the river decision even more? It's a nice pot and you have a strong hand. The best hand? I really don't know and most people don't know... so why risk it and get re-raised for an even harder decision..

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10-13-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by spino1i

But you dont think raising is a good idea?

I mean I could see him doing that with a lower straight but im not sure...

i dont see how u can raise here..... call is definitely the best / safest play.
To raise you have to assume he's a horrible player and will call when he's obviously and blatantly beat.

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