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Lukie
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04-26-2006, 03:40 PM
Post subject: yesssssss i'm a nit, AA muck to flop raise
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is a very solid, multi tabling regular. 21/10 with a big winrate over around 2k hands. Notice stack sizes.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($97.15)
BB ($200)
UTG ($70.45)
UTG+1 ($244.40)
Hero ($432.90)
MP2 ($563.15)
MP3 ($209.80)
CO ($199)
Button ($55.20)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A , A .
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, MP2 calls $7, 5 folds.
Flop: ($17) 7 , T, J (2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP2 raises to $30, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $59
thoughts?
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gabe
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set it or forget it
thats the rule in full ring, right nit????
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AHiltz
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What were your stats? Does he have reason to think you are raising any 2 and cbetting them?
I've seen semi-tights like him call standard raises with QK many time. He could be on an open-ender.
Do you think he raises his set here to protect against the flush since it's HU?
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Renton
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I call this and value bet the turn. If he raises me again on the turn I am done. His stats suggest that he would threebet preflop with TT or JJ, so you are really only worried about 77, 89, and JT, the last of which you have outs against.
Also, I don't know if a solid player wouldn't raise that flop against you. You raised in MP, so its not guaranteed that you are betting with a hand (as opposed to if you raised UTG). You could easily be on a missed AQ and be c-betting. A monster hand would likely call that flop and hope you catch an A on the turn.
I think he is an a draw and trying to make a free card play. I would value bet every street (assuming draws don't complete) and fold to any turn or river raise.
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Lukie
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no way is this guy reraising my EP raise with TT or JJ. no way.
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Renton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Lukie
no way is this guy reraising my EP raise with TT or JJ. no way.
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I was merely assuming he would since his pfr% is high.
You must have history with this player that suggests otherwise.
EDIT: And, to be fair, you are in 3rd position. I think TT-JJ is ahead of your raising range in3rd position, no?
I assume you raise AJ+, 99+, KQ, right?
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Rondavu
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
I call this and value bet the turn. If he raises me again on the turn I am done.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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r8ed
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You should pot the flop. There are two draws and if you had a real hand you would protect against said draws. He may be playing off your semi-weak bet. I would reraise to $60 or so to see if he's for real.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by r8ed
You should pot the flop. There are two draws and if you had a real hand you would protect against said draws. He may be playing off your semi-weak bet. I would reraise to $60 or so to see if he's for real.
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I like this, it gives you tons of info about his hand. The flop fold is just too weak for my tastes.
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Renton
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I think 12 into a 17 pot does plenty to protect against draws. Remember you WANT draws to call, if that is the only way you are extracting additional EV from the hand.
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Rondavu
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
I think 12 into a 17 pot does plenty to protect against draws. Remember you WANT draws to call, if that is the only way you are extracting additional EV from the hand.
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I concur. Too many people bet too much against solid players on a draw, and thus don't allow the solid opponent to make loose odds mistakes. Don't help your opponent play correctly. I tend to bet huge against bad players only who will draw for any price.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Renton
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I don't think there's ever any reason to bet the entire pot or more, unless its a severely multiway pot and/or you are sure you will get a call/raise from a weaker hand.
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bdawg56kg
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I think you are behind the majority of the time here, and if you aren't, you are probably up against a hand with a lot of outs against you. Having the Ah helps, but I don't mind a nitty fold here. With position I don't fold here though.
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