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GatorJH
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06-16-2008, 03:03 PM
Post subject: WWFnD?
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It is not often that I think of specific people when hands hit, but because one of Fnords frequently used comments is "I think I could find a fold here" I thought of him after the call on the flop from MP3.
Stats were as follows: CO - 36/9/0.38 thru 33 and MP3 was 26/5/1 thru 62 hands.
Based on the size of the pot are you shipping the rest in on the turn here or is there anyway to find a fold here? Should I have just pushed over MP3's raise?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP3 ($46.50)
CO ($18.15)
Button ($26.15)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($29)
UTG ($12.55)
UTG+1 ($23.95)
MP1 ($35.90)
Hero ($32.90)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q .
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds.
Flop: ($3.35) J , 2 , 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $3.5, MP3 calls $3.50, CO raises to $17.15, Hero calls $13.65, MP3 calls $13.65.
Turn: ($54.80) T (3 players)
Hero "ships it?????"
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pgil
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both sound pretty bad, which means get it in. most likely hands are Jx for each, some sort of medium PP, possibly a horribly played AK from MP3. some people can't lay that hand down.
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ATOTHEC101
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brutal spot, i dont really know what to do, i think you should just hope to check it down against mp3 but if he forces you in i think you have to call due to pot odds and the fact your ahead of all jacks. If he had jacks ful or a2 then its just a cooler.
Edit: just shove turn
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badgers
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4 hands beat you, 2 of which are probably reraised pre, and the are only 4 combo's of the other two hands.
There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
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MuddyWicket
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how much does the 0.38 AF play into your thinking as he has just raised over a strong bet and a caller?
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pgil
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Originally Posted by MuddyWicket
how much does the 0.38 AF play into your thinking as he has just raised over a strong bet and a caller?
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not much at all, plus he's too short to care at this point. There is little chance that the sample size is big enough to read anything at all into that AF.
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Originally Posted by badgers
4 hands beat you, 2 of which are probably reraised pre, and the are only 4 combo's of the other two hands.
There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
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Wow where did you learn to calculate that so fast?
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badgers
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Originally Posted by badgers
4 hands beat you, 2 of which are probably reraised pre, and the are only 4 combo's of the other two hands.
There are 12 combos of AJ alone.
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Wow where did you learn to calculate that so fast? |
magic imo.
ps thnx spoon 
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Only decision is on the flop. After you call you have to ship the turn getting 3:1.
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
Only decision is on the flop. After you call you have to ship the turn getting 3:1.
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Fnord
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When I'm running g00t I fold here in a full ring game. 6 max, I'm never folding with this read.
As-is, it really depends on how retarded I think they are. Pokertracker doesn't have that statistic yet.
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GatorJH
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Well I guess I wasn't running goot because I shipped it (although I did seriously think about check/folding the turn). CO had AJ0 and MP3 had 22 for the flopped nuts.
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Fnord
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Yeah, the smooth call screams monster, but so few hands he'd play like that pre-flop nail that flop.
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