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gametight
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08-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Post subject: WTF squeeze spot vs BankitDrew
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Flush
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Original raiser is a relatively aggro stealer... I think Im ahead of his range for sure.
When Drew calls in the SB Im putting him on a small pp.... I think he almost always 3bets any premium hands in that spot.
Drew is running at 16/9/3
Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
MP2: $247.55
CO: $205.15
BTN: $198
SB: $243.65
Hero (BB): $261.70
UTG: $75.55
UTG+1: $213.70
MP1: $216.80
Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, MP2 raises to $6, 2 folds, SB calls $5, Hero raises to $24, MP2 folds, SB calls $18
Flop: ($54) 2 2 9 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB raises to $72, Hero folds
Results: $126 Pot
When he calls preflop, we are deep enough for him to set mine....
WTF is he doing this with???? I almost shoved over the top of him but we didnt really have any history and I hadnt been out of line akaik, so I laid it down.
Did he really flop a boat here?
PS. min reraises tilt me
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mxiu
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Full House
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33-88. Doubt he has 99.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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why did you b et flop
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d0zer
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Since when does drew play on party?
And he's such a nit that his range is basically 99+ here.
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Chopper
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dont forget he plays AKs passively pf, too.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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mxiu
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Full House
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Don't forget he's bad! 
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gametight
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Flush
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Its actually Pokerstars.
I bet representing a big overpair. I put him on a small pp that would fold to a cbet if he didnt set up. I didnt want to check and let 22-TT bet and Id have to fold. Seems like a great board to cbet... although I could be very wrong???
Is this a standard check/fold?
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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thing is youre not in a standard situation anymore. you KNOW the player. you know what he is capable of. you just dont know if he is playing you straight up or getting frisky with you in this hand. imo, standard no longer applies.
and, you have to know by now that the minraise is designed to tilt you these days. its either a bluff, draw, or really friggin strong. thats what you have to decide here.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Miffed22001
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99-JJ ?
esp oop and a nit
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Fnord
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Call. Shoving looks too bluffy. It really depends on flow, I might shove just because it does look bluffy and I do funny things like that with good hands sometimes.
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
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I figured this was the best way to maximize FE
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I didn't put you on a big pair because you allowed me to set mine.
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Renton
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wtf drew how could you "set mine" for 18 dollars oop and with shallow stacks
also, your pf call isn't rofl bad or anything but u definitely aren't getting loose action from worse hands on any flop thats favorable to you, so i'd say its a thin call at best, mild to significant spew at worst.
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BankItDrew
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Believe it or not, I edited my post before submitting it and at first it included, "brutal tilty call by me preflop btw."
Also, in my spot preflop after the 3bet, my potential profit in the hand sits at $252... so calling $18 to set mine is also not rofl bad.
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Renton
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calling deuce deuce there almost invariably will not show a profit, unless villains range is basically exactly QQ+
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BankItDrew
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Improper use of the word 'invariably.'
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Renton
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i'm tired, but pretty sure i used it properly
as in, there is almost no set of parameters (reads etc) that you could use to justify calling there with 22. I say almost because if gametight was a massive fish and his range was exactly AA then of course it would be a fine call. But vs virtually anyone else it would be terrible.
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mcatdog
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
why did you b et flop
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This is a spot where it should be OK to bet the flop sometimes but it isn't because people play horribly game theory wise. SB usually has a pair and never folds it to one bet, therefore a lot of people don't bet these flops with air, thus making it incorrect to peel the flop with a mediocre pair but everyone peels anyway.
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Deanglow
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calling to setmine there makes me sad
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Renton
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mcat, yes taht and also AQ is the number one best candidate to check behind.
If he had some random air type hand or even AJ/AT it would be a much much better cbet than this.
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Keilah
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From what I've seen of Drew it's prly AJs or smthing
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gametight
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So Renton... couple questions,
Im guessing you would also be checking behind here with AK right?
If I check behind with AQ here and the turn comes an offsuit blank, are you calling a half pot bet? or are you done with the hand?
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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done with hand, and yes AK would be a check
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nutsinho
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
calling deuce deuce there almost invariably will not show a profit, unless villains range is basically exactly QQ+
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more like KK+
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