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allLiving

06-11-2004, 07:09 PM Post subject: WTF.

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Honestly. I don't get it. Gonna fucking kill something.

Hand #1747833-6832 at Ames (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 11/Jun/04 15:06:01

Mills Mess is at seat 0 with $17.05.
Polecat is at seat 1 with $7.55.
BDrescher7 is at seat 2 with $32.10.
lateralis3k is at seat 3 with $15.35.
hangemhi is at seat 4 with $26.35.
2283 is at seat 5 with $14.45.
tk_20 is at seat 6 with $35.
rmspoker is at seat 7 with $4.40.
ToddJ is at seat 8 with $8.75.
ntmntm is at seat 9 with $6.95.
The button is at seat 4.

2283 posts the small blind of $.10.
tk_20 posts the big blind of $.25.

Mills Mess: -- --
Polecat: -- --
BDrescher7: -- --
lateralis3k: Kd As
hangemhi: -- --
2283: -- --
tk_20: -- --
rmspoker: -- --
ToddJ: -- --
ntmntm: -- --

Pre-flop:

rmspoker folds. ToddJ folds. ntmntm calls. Mills
Mess folds. Polecat folds. BDrescher7 calls.
lateralis3k raises to $1.50. hangemhi folds. 2283
folds. tk_20 folds. ntmntm folds. BDrescher7
calls.

Flop (board: 8h Ad Qc):

BDrescher7 checks. lateralis3k bets $.80.
BDrescher7 calls.

Turn (board: 8h Ad Qc 4d):

BDrescher7 checks. lateralis3k bets $1.75.
BDrescher7 raises to $5. lateralis3k calls.

River (board: 8h Ad Qc 4d 3s):

BDrescher7 bets $9.50. lateralis3k goes all-in for
$8.05. BDrescher7 is returned $1.45 (uncalled).

Showdown:

BDrescher7 shows 8d Ah.
BDrescher7 has 8d Ah 8h Ad Qc: two pair, aces and eights.
lateralis3k shows Kd As.
lateralis3k has Kd As 8h Ad Qc: a pair of aces.

Hand #1747833-6832 Summary:

$1 is raked from a pot of $31.30.
BDrescher7 wins $30.30 with two pair, aces and eights.
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allLiving

06-11-2004, 07:43 PM

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I soon went on tilt and lost all my money. God I love playing against utter fools, really makes my fucking day. Im done with UB forever, god damn. I can't play on PP because people call with ANYTHING and I ALWAYS lose. I can't play on Ub, nobody respects raises. I can't play anywhere for god's sake. N!$IB!@%'12v5125
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scgolfer

06-11-2004, 07:46 PM

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What dont you get? He caught two pair on the flop? And slowplayed it. Bad luck on your part that you caught top pair top kicker and he caught two pair on the flop? You were relative screwed from the get go. But his check calling reaked of slow play. He probably shouldn't have called the preflop raise though. Read thru some of the "Does it ever end" thread to see some bad beats. Chin up people like those will eventually give their money back to you.

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allLiving

06-12-2004, 02:20 AM

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You're right about them giving money back, I know. I've just had a tought week of bad beats with solid play. I just don't see the logic in these call-machines. I don't see the point in calling a $1.50 bet with A8o...

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GDS223

06-12-2004, 03:17 PM

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This kinda thing happens though. The guy who put you all in had ok cards to see a flop, and when he caught the two pair on flop, he cashed in on the implied odds. Unless you know a player to bluff too much, quite often people won't come at you that hard unless they're sure they have you beat and they think you have a hand you can't lay down. Sometimes it isn't such a bad play to call with marginal hands when you're going heads up, because you know that if you catch something like 2 pair or trips, it's hard for your opponent to put you on that.

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Les_Worm

06-12-2004, 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allLiving

I don't mean to be disrespectful or anything but I wouldn't call the way you played that hand "solid." He had good enough cards to call your raise and then flopped two pair. You said you were tired of people not respecting raises but it seems to me that you didn't respect his raise. When he came over the top of you like that it just screems that he has a hand. You gotta up him on AQ or QQ or something big. I know you had top pair and top kicker but sometimes you just have to lay those hands down. He checked raised you and then went all in. You gotta think you are beat at that point. I know its hard to let good hands go but its something that must be learned to help protect your bankroll.

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DrNoChance

06-12-2004, 08:25 PM

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I wouldn't call a preflop raise with A8o, but that's besides the point. The reraise on the turn after a possible flush draw comes down does reek of a slow played monster. In theory, I'd lay my top pair down to that. In reality.....I've made the same mistake many, many, many times

It takes a few painful lessons to learn when top pair/top kicker ain't no good anymore.

allLiving

06-12-2004, 08:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GDS223

if you catch something like 2 pair or trips

That's what bad poker players think. "Well, he might have pocket queens, but if I hit TWO pair on the flop, I'm good!"

As far as I'm concerned, he thinks aces are instant win cards and is a call-machine. I don't care what you think, calling a preflop raise with A8o is a terrible mistake and costs you in the long run. I am just pissed that it happened to me the one time I got good cards all night.

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GDS223

06-12-2004, 10:28 PM

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Yeah, yeah, yeah... And as far as I'm concerned, you seem to think that AK is an instant win hand. As soon as he check raised you and you didn't put him all in, he figured the two pair were good. I'm not saying you should've known 100% you were beat, but the telltale signs were definitely there. All I'm trying to tell you is that you are going to have people calling you with cards you wouldn't call with, and they're going to beat you when they catch. Was he behind in the hand preflop? Yes. Would they have folded if they didn't catch? Most likely. Did you fold when he caught? No.

To put it simply: 1.75 isn't a whole lot to call preflop considering he could've laid down his hand immediately post flop if he missed. You, on the other hand, couldn't see the possibility you were beaten. You wanna knock out hands like A/8o preflop? bet $4. But you didn't want to chase them away -- you invited his call. Remember that.

I don't think you're a bad player -- but this is hardly something I would consider a bad beat. He was ahead in the hand from the flop onwards. Like everyone, I've also made this same mistake. But this is part of the game, and don't let it get to you. Tip your hat, take your loss, and move on. Nobody forced you to hit the call button and chances are, you'll get it back later.

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06-13-2004, 12:48 AM

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Glad someone else went there before me. Yeah, you can't overplay your pair like that when the stacks are so deep. Got to look at when the money went in before you scream bad beat. In this case it was the turn + river. The calling 6x BB with A8 was pretty bad, but the tall stacks made post-flop play much more important.

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