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AHiltz
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04-15-2007, 03:55 PM
Post subject: WTF??
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4-of-a-Kind
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Hand history is at home, so let the butchering begin
100NL full ring
Opp1 UTG +1 $28 29/0/.4 over 30 hands
Opp2 MP $80 14/4/1 over 200+ hands
Hero MP+2 $125 23/11/3
Opp1 has been seeing lots of flops. Playing them all slowly. His pf raise was a big WTF? Opp2 is just a regular nut camping nit. I've been using position and firing at pots that I think everyone else has missed.
Hero is dealt  
Opp1 min raises to $2
Opp2 calls
Hero calls
So, Opp1's min raise screams AA, KK, QQ. Opp2 calls with any pair here. I puss out and call to see a flop.
flop comes   
Opp1 bets $3
Opp2 calls
Hero raises to $11
Opp1 shoves
Opp2 calls
Now WTF? The odds of Opp1 having AA while I have JJ are slim. The odds of all 3 of us hitting set over set over set are not worth mentioning. I guess Opp1 could be playing QK, but I can't see Opp2 playing that. I have him 80% on TT and 20% on AK.
So Hero shoves and Opp2 calls.
Good/bad/just plain fucking ugly?
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ChrisTheFish
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I call, opp 1 can easily be a donk with AJ/A10 even AK AQ or flush and straight draw. opp 2 does look like 10 10
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AHiltz
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Originally Posted by ChrisTheFish
I call, opp 1 can easily be a donk with AJ/A10 even AK AQ or flush and straight draw. opp 2 does look like 10 10
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Opp1 is all-in and Opp2 has roughly $50 behind. So wouldn't shoving now be better since we know that Opp2 likes his hand right now? What would we gain by calling?
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EzDuzIt
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i think your ahead a lot here. opp2 has 1010 a lot, opp1 will have AA here but KK,QQ,AK,AQ,1010, and even AJ,A10... you only have 30 hands on him and there are a lot of players who raise 2bbs all the time or with more than just huge hands pf. but yeah it is kind of a WTF situation.
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zook
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Easy shove imo, since the board is so drawy, and there's dead money in the pot. Folding is never an option here.
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Miffed22001
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easy call considering pot odds.
Squeeze preflop you fish 
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AHiltz
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
easy call considering pot odds.
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But isn't pushing better if Opp2 has TT and may puss out on any scare card on the turn or river? He's just put in 1/3 his stack. Getting him to put the rest in shouldn't be hard and would be better since we think we have him by the balls?
Does a nut camper ever fold TT to my push here?
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
easy call considering pot odds.
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But isn't pushing better if Opp2 has TT and may puss out on any scare card on the turn or river? He's just put in 1/3 his stack. Getting him to put the rest in shouldn't be hard and would be better since we think we have him by the balls?
Does a nut camper ever fold TT to my push here? |
i missed opp1 wasnt a full stack, im pushing yes considering how much money is going in.
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AHiltz
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I'll give it another day and post results if any0ne cares.
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JJDAMAN
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Yeah push all day. You can't really put Opp 1 squarely on AA. If someone flopped the sraight, oh well, you still have outs. With all the money going in, the possibility you have the best hand, and the chance your hand will improve, I can't see folding here. BTW, when opp 2 flat calls I cant see him folding to your raise, so push.
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Charles
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I agree push
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No man can soar higher than he able to think
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AHiltz
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Opp1  
Opp2  
I donk up the turn with the 
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
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someones owed some sklansky's
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