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Old 03-11-2006, 02:52 PM     Post subject: Was it wrong to play this slow? #1 (permalink)  
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Game #1340103426 - (blinds $0.10/$0.25) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/03/10-08:39:30.6 (CST) Table "Kotu (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: yancy001 ($47.00 in chips) Seat 2: sevenex ($8.02 in chips) Seat 3: X0300 ($25.22 in chips) Seat 4: pella1 ($36.20 in chips) Seat 5: redgrape ($25.00 in chips)
X0300 : Post Small Blind ($0.10)
pella1 : Post Big Blind ($0.25)
redgrape: Post ($0.25)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Ah ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Ad ]
redgrape: Raise ($1)
yancy001: Fold
sevenex : Fold
X0300 : Fold
pella1 : Raise ($2)
redgrape: Call ($1)
*** FLOP *** : [ 3d 3h 8s ]
pella1 : Bet ($2)
redgrape: Call ($2)
*** TURN *** : [ 3d 3h 8s ] [ 5h ]
pella1 : Bet ($2.60)
redgrape: Call ($2.60)
*** RIVER *** : [ 3d 3h 8s 5h ] [ 7s ]
pella1 : Bet ($29.35)
redgrape: Call All-in ($18.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $48.10 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 3d 3h 8s 5h 7s ]
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Old 03-11-2006, 03:34 PM #2 (permalink)  
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It looks okay in position like that.

But I always figure (especially at this limit) if he's got a big hand, he's paying me off anyway, so why slowplay it?

A lot of these guys will get it all in preflop with AK, but they wimp out when they miss the board (rightfully so). So I probably reraise.

As it stands, I think you probably should raise the flop or the turn so you can get all the money in by the river. Luckily he just pushed.
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I think its fine, any big pair you can stack anyway and a raise could stop him bluffing AK or overplaying a mid overpair. If he checks at any point I'd bet and I'd raise any <AI river bet.
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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He did all the betting for you. With no high cards on the board I am not afraid of a set. Can't press CALL button fast enough.
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Old 03-13-2006, 02:17 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think it's better to build the pot up in case an ace or other scare card for them falls. I would reraise (not too high) on the flop and/or the turn. Make him committed earlier.
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Old 03-13-2006, 03:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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If you re-raise on the flop or turn, You prevent A/K from firing the second and third bullet.

I figure if he's doing the betting, and the board is safe like that, might as well just call him down.

I might re-raise the turn, but never that flop because if he doesn't have an overpair you kill the action.
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Old 03-13-2006, 03:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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If he didn't push the river you just lost alot of value from AA playing this way. Raising the flop to say $4 or $6 builds up the pot and he may 3bet anyway. If he checks the turn, put out a 1/2 bet which he will probably call. Then by the river he's either leading out or calling a value bet (or possibly folding).

Say you play it your way. The pot by the river is ~$15. He only put in $7 and does not feel committed if he wants to let it go.

Say you play it my (ultimate best - no discussion) way. The pot is ~$15 on the flop. Even if somehow this is checked down, you got the money while you could. If he folds to your flop raise - he doesn't have a hand that he's willing to put much more money in with anyway.

Slowplay = slow profits in most cases. You just got lucky (or unlucky) here.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:13 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm guessing Iowa got unlucky ... but it would be interesting to know what hand he got beat by.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:32 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I have to admit I was shaking my head when I saw him call the all-in, but then I looked at the HH again and noticed he was raised pre-flop to $2 by the big blind. This absolutely screams of QQ or KK and, tbh, it's hard to see A3s, 88 or 77 re-raising pre-flop at $25.

If he's asking whether he got lucky on the river with the other guy pushing, then yes, I guess he did (assuming he did win). I personally would have re-raised on the turn just in case AKh was out there, but tbh it really seems like this guy did his betting for him so there can be no complaints.
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