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Old 06-01-2006, 11:57 PM     Post subject: Would you think bottom set is beat here? #1 (permalink)  
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Button ($27.55)
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Preflop: givememyleg is BB with T, T.
6 folds, SB raises to $1.5, givememyleg calls $1.

Flop: ($3) T, J, Q (2 players)
SB bets $1.5, givememyleg raises to $4.5, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($12) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.5, givememyleg calls $4.50.

River: ($21) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $7, givememyleg calls $7.

Final Pot: $35

SB was average. Should I have raised more on the flop? The line confused me... Lead/Call Raise... Lead on the turn. This smelled of AK to me.. and JJ/QQ wasn't out of line either. When the board didn't pair on the river, I called figuring it was $7 to win $28, so only needed to be behind 1:4 times for this to be a bad call. (Is this correct?) If villian had a stronger lead on the river, say $15 or so, would this be a fold?

EDIT - Anyone raise turn here?

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Old 06-02-2006, 12:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I dont think Im going to put villain on that tight of a range when this is a battle of the blinds. Preflop I would reraise, flop raise is fine. I would raise the turn and push the river. Maybe this is a leak on my part, but in a blind vs. blind situation on a board where you are only beat by AK for the straight or JJ/QQ I really dont think you can lay this down. AQ, QJ, and equally weak hands [relative to your hand] because strong blind on blind, I really couldnt put him on 3 hands that beat me. How would he play AQ or QJ or even KK or AA in this situation?
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He could have KK, AA, KQ, AQ or a variety of two pair here. I've been stumped by this kind of line at NL50 before, too, and have found more often than not that it's someone playing scared with a marginal hand and the small bets are almost a kind of blocking bet--like they think it would be weak to just check with TP?K, even though the board is super dangerous and they're getting played back at hard.

That said, I think I would raise the turn and think about folding to a push.
 
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 I probably end up all in somewhere in this hand if he doesn't give me a very good excuse to fold (ie push over my reraise preflop, maaaaaybe if he pushes over my turn raise).

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edit: I think folding river for 7$ would be very very weak when you're only beat by QQ, JJ, AK, K9 in a blind vs blind situation, if there was a question about this somewhere in there .

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 So is the ultimate vote I played this too passive?

I actually didn't notice it was sb v bb when I called this bet preflop... I was involved in 2 other hands at the time, should pay more attn. I think a re-raise preflop might have been good, but calling doesn't seem too bad.

I think after relooking at this raising the turn here would have been better then just calling. I played this set way too passively.

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i definitely raise the turn big
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Old 06-02-2006, 05:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 pot raise preflop

as played I'd jam the flop harder, to around $6 or $7 probably.

as played I'd raise turn big.

as played there's a good chance I'd push the river.


thats probably what i'd do. If you thought by his flop and turn lines that AK made up a decent part of his range, turn and river are ok.
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