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Golden_Hand

10-26-2005, 02:04 AM Post subject: Would you call this?

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***** Hand History for Game 2928520984 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 25, 03:25:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 68859 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: chohca ( $94.12 )
Seat 3: MuggyD ( $88.95 )
Seat 4: Golden_Hand1 ( $96.45 )
Seat 5: SullyDavid ( $197.35 )
Seat 6: azdane ( $112.73 )
Seat 7: Rohbau1 ( $140.12 )
Seat 8: WADER32 ( $167.01 )
Seat 9: onlineking42 ( $317.55 )
Seat 1: CAPITAL_ONE ( $168 )
onlineking42 posts small blind [$0.50].
CAPITAL_ONE posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Golden_Hand1 [ 6h 6s ]
chohca folds.
MuggyD folds.
Golden_Hand1 calls [$1].
SullyDavid folds.
Rohbau1 folds.
WADER32 calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 65000 Table!.
onlineking42 calls [$0.50].
CAPITAL_ONE checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 6c, 5c ]
onlineking42 checks.
CAPITAL_ONE folds.
Golden_Hand1 bets [$4].
WADER32 calls [$4].
>You have options at Table 65000 Table!.
>You have options at Table 65000 Table!.
onlineking42 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
Golden_Hand1 bets [$15].
>You have options at Table 65000 Table!.
WADER32 calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Golden_Hand1 bets [$10].
WADER32 raises [$95].

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r8ed

10-26-2005, 04:43 AM

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You made such a weak bet on the river. You told him you were weak so he took advantage. I think you call. He didn't raise preflop. If he has TT then just pay him off.

ChrisBCritter

10-26-2005, 06:45 AM

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Interesting, A limper calling on every street with the flush draw out there which hits on the river... You gave him bad odds with good flop and turn bets if that was what he had, so I can't really put him on the flush except for a fishy player with AXs... My real guess is ATo and you have him beat, so I would make a crying call here... and pay off the fish-flush... Regardless, bet more on the river to tell him that you are still strong.

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Greedo017

10-26-2005, 08:48 AM

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i wouldn't call this once in a million years. I also would either check the river, or bet it more strongly.

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mxiu

10-26-2005, 09:10 AM

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$10 bet? Make it $30 or $40 and I'm sure he doesn't raise you with his 2 pair.

PokerPatNEU

10-26-2005, 02:42 PM

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Uh if i bet 10$ on this river, i WANT this guy to come over the top, and thats just what he does. If you want to know whether or not he has a flush, bet more. If you're willing to bet he doesn't, then make this play and call his raise. The hands you pay off: TT and a flush. The hands he could have include those two, plus AT, KT, 55, busted strait draw, even AQ might come over here after that river bet. Looks like you could have JTs and don't like your top pair from the flop any more that two overs hit. Call.

Golden_Hand

10-27-2005, 12:40 AM

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Well i called pretty much instantly, i had a read the all in was a bluff. I guess my weak bet on the river was an invitation for him to come over the top, which he did and is a tactic i like using. I've notice sometimes against an aggressive player if i make a strong bet on the river, i wont get the call "usually" because they know their beat. But if i act weak, they feel they have an opportunity to come over the top and steal the pot, in which hopefully i take more money.

Golden_Hand1 is all-In.
WADER32 shows [ Th, 7s ] a pair of tens.
Golden_Hand1 shows [ 6h, 6s ] three of a kind, sixes.
WADER32 wins $18.55 from side pot #1 with a pair of tens.
Golden_Hand1 wins $191.90 from the main pot with three of a kind, sixes.
chohca has left the table.

almost identical scenario played itself out and i was fished out..

***** Hand History for Game 2928949073 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 25, 08:47:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 69820 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: The_Picasso ( $120.45 )
Seat 3: Golden_Hand1 ( $106.36 )
Seat 9: pavpeter ( $76.30 )
Seat 4: RErbBK ( $107.90 )
Seat 8: Gynthe ( $102.05 )
Seat 1: DrJai ( $118.95 )
Seat 7: Slayride ( $143.80 )
Seat 6: degener8gamb ( $80 )
Seat 10: Saif4881 ( $20 )
Seat 5: BenWheeler ( $23 )
pavpeter posts small blind [$0.50].
Saif4881 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Golden_Hand1 [ 6h 6c ]
DrJai calls [$1].
The_Picasso folds.
Golden_Hand1 calls [$1].
RErbBK folds.
degener8gamb folds.
Slayride calls [$1].
Gynthe folds.
pavpeter folds.
Saif4881 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Jh, Th ]
Saif4881 checks.
DrJai checks.
Golden_Hand1 bets [$5].
Slayride calls [$5].
Saif4881 folds.
DrJai folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
Golden_Hand1 bets [$10].
>You have options at Table 65992 Table!.
Slayride calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 5h ]
Golden_Hand1 checks.
Slayride bets [$30].
Golden_Hand1 calls [$30].
Slayride shows [ 9h, Ah ] a flush, ace high.
Golden_Hand1 doesn't show [ 6h, 6c ] three of a kind, sixes.
Slayride wins $91.50 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

Fnord

10-27-2005, 12:49 AM

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Great thread. I'm so lost in spots like these. I would love someone like ILikeAces, 'rilla or Smack to chime in here.

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10-27-2005, 01:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Great thread. I'm so lost in spots like these. I would love someone like ILikeAces, 'rilla or Smack to chime in here.

Who are they?

TalentedTom

10-27-2005, 01:59 AM

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I think you definatley got outplayed here, if you called you would have taken down the pot. I would say most players at that level would interpret that river bet as a scared bet from someone who is UTG and not sure where he stands anymore. If he indeed had a flush he would value reraise.

A larger bet on the river would scare off most people from bluffing I would say 2/3 is appropriate, hands you beat will call, hands that have you crushed will let you know.

Hand #2 he value bet and he had it. Hand #1 i think is an overbet bluff.

Tom.S

Fnord

10-27-2005, 02:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TalentedTom

A larger bet on the river would scare off most people from bluffing

Is this the best approach to these situations? What wins us the most money in the long run?

I understand the mindset that gets us there, but I'm not sold that it's correct.

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jmontis

10-27-2005, 03:38 AM

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seeing how the hand adds up, it's very possible for him to have T

at the river.

but, unless he's a courageous player, I don't call the river bet, and yes the $10 bet totally fucked the Hero in this hand. Acting like the bluff catcher police in cash games will cost you tons of money

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

Fnord

10-27-2005, 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jmontis

Acting like the bluff catcher police in cash games will cost you tons of money

I strongly disagree. The most profitable players are really good at this.

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