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payt0n

08-14-2005, 08:58 PM Post subject: The worst two days of online poker ever.

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In two days I lost my entire bankroll of 400$ off of the worst run of cards/luck/suckouts against me etc. Heres some HH from those great 48 hours. Out of curiosity, anyone else have streaks of ridiculous misfortune? If so how much $$ did you lose?

***** Hand History for Game 2239117090 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, August 10, 00:16:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 36837 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: REYMIDAS ( $67.4 )
Seat 2: tagchamp ( $44.75 )
Seat 3: OMlawdog ( $61.65 )
Seat 5: elastie ( $53.85 )
Seat 6: payt0n ( $102.7 )
Seat 4: rubbie8910 ( $37.55 )
REYMIDAS posts small blind [$0.25].
tagchamp posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to payt0n [ 5h As ]
OMlawdog folds.
rubbie8910 calls [$0.5].
elastie calls [$0.5].
payt0n calls [$0.5].
REYMIDAS calls [$0.25].
tagchamp checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 5c, 5s ]
REYMIDAS checks.
tagchamp checks.
rubbie8910 checks.
elastie checks.
payt0n bets [$2.4].
REYMIDAS calls [$2.4].
tagchamp calls [$2.4].
rubbie8910 folds.
elastie folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
REYMIDAS checks.
tagchamp checks.
payt0n bets [$10].
REYMIDAS folds.
tagchamp calls [$10].
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
tagchamp bets [$25].
payt0n: LOL
payt0n: IF U HAVE A FLUSH
payt0n: I HATE YOU
payt0n calls [$25].
tagchamp shows [ Qd, 7d ] a flush, queen high.
payt0n doesn't show [ 5h, As ] three of a kind, fives.
tagchamp wins $77.7 from the main pot with a flush, queen high.
WHAT THE XXXX IS WRONG WITH YOU
_________________________________________

***** Hand History for Game 2390668620 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:14078366 Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Wednesday, August 10, 17:06:18 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table R+A(396376) Table #14 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: HARLEY902 ( $2425 )
Seat 3: hollaback ( $2425 )
Seat 4: BUDPOUNDER ( $805 )
Seat 5: Trents88 ( $945 )
Seat 6: hgstx ( $6730 )
Seat 7: UgotaBkiddin ( $2005 )
Seat 8: angy71 ( $1520 )
Seat 9: LBD74 ( $2995 )
Seat 10: payt0n ( $1595 )
Seat 1: candymankhan ( $2060 )
Trny:14078366 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to payt0n [ As Qc ]
hgstx folds.
UgotaBkiddin calls [20].
angy71 calls [20].
LBD74 calls [20].
payt0n raises [200].
candymankhan folds.
HARLEY902 folds.
hollaback calls [200].
BUDPOUNDER folds.
Trents88 folds.
UgotaBkiddin calls [180].
angy71 calls [180].
payt0n: WTF
LBD74 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, Ah, Jc ]
UgotaBkiddin checks.
angy71 checks.
payt0n is all-In [1395]
hollaback folds.
UgotaBkiddin folds.
payt0n: DIE
payt0n: DIE
angy71 is all-In [1320]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
angy71 shows [ Qd, Tc ] a straight, eight to queen.
payt0n shows [ As, Qc ] a pair of aces.
payt0n wins 75 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
angy71 wins 3490 chips from the main pot with a straight, eight to queen.
_________________________________________

And this takes the cake, this is my last 10 dollars in my roll after beats like the ones above all day. This hand is just absurd.

***** Hand History for Game 2518514443 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 11, 19:40:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 54791 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 4: tcepf ( $56.13 )
Seat 6: Dollarface ( $32.75 )
Seat 1: payt0n ( $9.75 )
Seat 5: p0nasty ( $29.20 )
Seat 3: AllInHighACE ( $23.65 )
payt0n posts small blind [$0.10].
AllInHighACE posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to payt0n [ 9s Ks ]
tcepf folds.
p0nasty raises [$0.50].
Dollarface folds.
payt0n calls [$0.40].
AllInHighACE calls [$0.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 7s, 4s ]
payt0n checks.
AllInHighACE checks.
p0nasty bets [$1].
payt0n calls [$1].
AllInHighACE raises [$4].
p0nasty folds.
payt0n is all-In [$8.25]
AllInHighACE calls [$5.25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
AllInHighACE shows [ 4h, 5s ] a full house, Fours full of fives.
payt0n doesn't show [ 9s, Ks ] a flush, king high.
AllInHighACE wins $19.95 from the main pot with a

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DimitriT

08-14-2005, 09:10 PM

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Don't play 6max. I lost my first $600 on 6max. Didn't quite learn from my first mistake and went back for another $200 on my second deposit. Now I'm rebuilding on full ring. 6max attracts action players who are difficult to predict and play against. If you luck out against them, you can make alot of money fast, but as you showed, a bad run can kill you.

DrNoChance

08-14-2005, 09:12 PM

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I've lost about the same amount before in a few days at the same stakes.

Many good players have had downswings of 10 buy-ins or so at some point in their online career.

Yeah, it sucks. Try to play with a bankroll that is 15x the buy in or more.

Galapogos

08-14-2005, 09:19 PM

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My worst has been very recent too, I was up to around $1200 and lost a good $600 of that in one day to horrid chases versus my made hands. Then I tilted away a couple hundred more. All within 2 days. Played a $20+2 two table tourney, won it and got $200 then immediatley lost that to another bad run in the ring. So I've been stuck building up my stack again down in the $25NL games. Very frustrating, I can honestly say I was a huge favorite with a made hand on a single one of my pre-tilt loses. I should also honestly say I would have lost more if I wasn't one of those lucky chasers a few times myself while tilting.

Took me a while to get my game back but things are going along smooth again thank god. Mind you I'm still pretty shell shocked and have yet to leave the $25NL tables even though I am sufficiently bankrolled for $50NL

TripsChaos

08-14-2005, 09:20 PM

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i disagree with the above persons thinking. I think its better to start off at 6 max for a few important reasons:

1. its easier to get a read on players
2. You can steal a lot more pots
3. You have to worry about less mediocre hands calling your preflop bets

I can totally understand losing that much money in that amount of time, but the only flaw in your game I saw was the $25 call you made with the trips. The player clearly made a huge over bet of the pot, and you only limped in, so there were so many hands out there that were beating you. A rule i like to follow is if you limp in to a pot, and dont flop either a set, top two, or a straight/flush or a nuts draw, get out of the pot, and if you do...bet it either on the flop or turn so what happened to you doesnt happen again. As soon as there are 2 to the flush or an obvious open-ended draw, bet it big. But those other beats were just awful, I feel for you.

andr3w321

08-14-2005, 09:34 PM

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In the future, don't play A5o out of the blinds. Other than that its just some bad luck. Generally you should only gamble with 10% of your BR in one day, so you can't go on tilt and lose 100% of your BR in 2 days. Have you checked out the BR management thread?

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Greedo017

08-14-2005, 10:44 PM

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just because you are at one point nearly bankrolled for 50NL (400 dollars is a little short), doesn't mean that you should play that until your bankroll is gone. When you get to 250-300, play 25NL. When you get to 150, play 10NL. And so on.

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DaNutsInYoEye

08-15-2005, 12:08 AM

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Quote:

I think you're seriously wrong in recommending 6-max to someone that is first learning how to play. The variance in 6-max is much, much more than full ring. A person first learning how to play is going to lose money more than likely and they don't need even more help in doing so by playing 6-max. That in itself should deter someone frrom starting at 6-max.

I disagree with your points as well. 1) The game is more aggressive and people are betting with more marginal hands than they would otherwise at a full table making it harder to put people on a hand. 2) Stealing pots is a somewhat more advanced skill and a new player likley won't recognize the best places to do so anyways. 3) You actually have to worry MORE about mediocre hands calling your pre-flop bets because starting hand requirements are broader at a short handed table.

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DrNoChance

08-15-2005, 02:22 AM

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I have to admit all my worst downswings have been on 5-6 max tables.

People swear that this is where the money is at since the full tables can be rock fests, but the variance is a killer.

Fnord

08-15-2005, 04:44 AM

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I've run -12 buy-ins back when I played $25 NL full ring. Then again, I'm 10x the player now than I was then.

6max certainly has a higher win rate per table hour than full, but the variance monster comes into play. Also, you need to be better playing weaker hands.

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08-15-2005, 04:47 AM

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STBY, don't play outside your bankroll.

lamaros

08-15-2005, 08:03 AM

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with only $400 I'd stick ot $25, esp on 6max, unless you have very good reason to know you can outplay others at that level...

and yeah, you got some bad beats, but your play above doesn't strike me as being that great.

Surf_Thug

08-15-2005, 08:11 AM

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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16835

Thats my bad run post...

It happens man, 6-Max can be brutal..

Currently Playing 8 Tables of 25NL 10-Max.
Or
2 Tables of 100NL 10-Max

Current Bankroll: $625

Goal: To stop pulling $$$ out of my bankroll and build it up to 1k.

Cocco_Bill

08-15-2005, 08:35 AM

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I am making the switch to 6-max and if anything I am finding the variance to be lower. Part of the reason is that you can easily play 2000 hands or more in a day 4-tabling. You also get involved in hands more frequently so you get to punish the weaker players more often to overcome the bad variance.

The switch from 10-max is an easy one. Really nothing changes its just basically 10-max with the 4 first players having folded.

DrNoChance

08-15-2005, 03:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

I'd somewhat disagree on a couple of points here...

Yes, you get to be involved in more hands with bad players at 6 max, but those players are punished much less for playing loose at 6 max than at 10 max. Playing something like J9o from mid position is a big leak at 10 max, and a much smaller leak at 6 max. You can still outplay these players, but your advantage from playing tight pre-flop largely evaporates. On the other hand, 6 max attracts some extreme action freaks who want to play every hand and are therefore still far too loose even for 6 max (and thus maintaining your big edge).

In addition, saying 6 max is just 10 max with 4 folds in front is a bit misleading. Fewer cards are dealt at a 6 max table, making your hand essentially even better than if you were at a 10 max table with 4 folds in front. You have to be willing to play some hands that you normally wouldn't at a full table. Not a lot more, but some.

SteveO

08-15-2005, 05:56 PM

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Just to make you feel better, I lost $2000 over a month at $100-200 full NL. Set over set, big pairs not holding up fh over fh and so on.... with a few suck outs thrown in for good measure. For the most part it was just bad luck (varience) to the extent that I was pushing hard and making big hands but they were second best at showdown.

That's a good 10 or more buy-ins. Not even any tilt factor there, just a bad streak. BTW, I was forced to drop stakes back to 50-100 and still rebuilding.

Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!

Aces

08-15-2005, 09:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TripsChaos

i disagree with the above persons thinking. I think its better to start off at 6 max for a few important reasons:

I could not disagree more. Learn to win TA full table first. Once you've mastered that, then move to 6-max if you wish. 6-max has much for varience. Especially if you're playing with 8x buyin as a BR, which of course you shouldn't be doing anyway.

Reread DrNoChance and DaNuts replies. I'm fairly succesful at fulltable but not at all at 6max. I don't think the switch is an easy one for most.

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