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Renton

09-04-2006, 08:32 PM Post subject: Working on getting my hands paid. These lines optimal?

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($837.90)
UTG+2 ($2041.28)
MP1 ($1186.51)
MP2 ($57.71)
MP3 ($93)
CO ($236.19)
Button ($413)
Hero ($400)
BB ($1202.45)
UTG ($396.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

. Hero posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4, 3 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($16) J

, 2

, 7

(4 players)
Hero bets $12, BB calls $12, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($40) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $83, Hero raises to $289.

Final Pot: $412

2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($83.40)
UTG+1 ($393.83)
UTG+2 ($160.24)
MP1 ($355.31)
MP2 ($627.24)
MP3 ($527.10)
CO ($397.50)
Button ($416.75)
SB ($396)
Hero ($501)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, Q

. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, 3 folds, MP2 calls $4, MP3 calls $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $11, UTG calls $11, MP2 calls $11, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($66) 2

, 8

, Q

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Button bets $40, Hero raises to $150.

Final Pot: $256

3

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($374.70)
Hero ($463.55)
UTG+1 ($337.93)
UTG+2 ($497.51)
MP1 ($140.08)
MP2 ($254.50)
MP3 ($425.70)
CO ($850.33)
Button ($329)
SB ($390.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

, 8

. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $16, 6 folds, Button calls $16, 1 fold, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($50) 2

, 8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, Button calls $40, BB folds.

Turn: ($130) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $112.

Final Pot: $242

4

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($519.27)
MP2 ($396)
MP3 ($241.03)
CO ($413.82)
Button ($148.40)
SB ($412.70)
BB ($289)
UTG ($186)
UTG+1 ($293.22)
Hero ($400)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $12, Hero raises to $42, 3 folds, CO calls $42, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $30.

Flop: ($132) 7

, 2

, 7

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $35.39, Hero raises to $238.17.

Final Pot: $405.56

5

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($335.90)
MP3 ($175.30)
CO ($608.65)
Button ($420.80)
SB ($525.90)
BB ($311.90)
UTG ($247)
UTG+1 ($155)
UTG+2 ($101.60)
Hero ($564.89)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

, A

. SB posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, CO calls $16, 3 folds.

Flop: ($38) A

, 4

, 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24.

Turn: ($86) J

(3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $75.7, Hero raises to $151.4, CO calls $75.70.

River: ($388.80) 5

(3 players)
Hero calls $373.49 (All-In).

Final Pot: $762.29

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($395.21)
BB ($936.30)
UTG ($123.22)
UTG+1 ($143.90)
UTG+2 ($479.50)
Hero ($400)
MP2 ($406.76)
MP3 ($30.50)
CO ($451.50)
Button ($680.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, A

. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 5 folds, BB calls $16, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($46) 8

, T

, K

(2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($116) 6

(2 players)
BB bets $100, Hero calls $100.

River: ($316) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero calls $245 (All-In).

Final Pot: $561

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Genitruc

09-04-2006, 09:11 PM

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assuming no reads :

1- yes

2 - maybe. bombing non-heart turn could make more in long run (since you are hoping button has aa/kk). then again if he can't lay down overpair it's fine.

3 - interesting one. if you think he is calling with a pp and basically saying "prove to me that you have a better one", turn check-raise is sexy. if he's on a draw, checking sux. i think your like is fne though. I'd prob vary between check raise and bomb-lead.

4 - 3 way protection is funner w f draw on board. despite this, a raise that pot-commits UTG+1 might make more in long run since he could conceivable (donkishly) call with more hands that you beat and then be pot commited by the turn.

5 - love this line

6 - hmmm. value bet will prob get called way more often. in this case I think a smaller bet is more +ev unless villain likes making hero calls and you are trying to rep a busted flush/combo draw. I think he calls a 1/2 ish pot sized bet like 100% here if he doesn t have air so I like it better. I think he folds too many hands to your line unless he is pretty aware. Assuming he has something like ak/kq calling the push is tough. then again, repping busted draw... hmmm. i m torn.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

zook

09-04-2006, 10:56 PM

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I don't think I'm qualified to give advice on optimal lines at 400NL. But I have a few questions...

1. Why no PFR?

2. Why no PF re-raise?

6. Why no flop raise?

Renton

09-05-2006, 12:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zook

I don't think I'm qualified to give advice on optimal lines at 400NL. But I have a few questions...

1. Why no PFR? BECAUSE EARLY POSITION LIMPERS GENERALLY WILL CALL AND THE POT WILL BE HUGE ON A FLOP THAT LIKELY WON'T BE FAVORABLE FOR ME. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WRONG WITH RAISING, BUT I SIMPLY CHOSE AGAINST IT THIS TIME.

2. Why no PF re-raise? I MISREAD THE SITUATION. FOR SOME REASON, I MISSED THE TWO LIMPERS BEHIND AND I ASSUMED WE'D BE HEADS UP TO THE FLOP. VILLAIN IS A REALLY BAD PLAYER SO I WANTED TO CONCEAL MY HAND.

6. Why no flop raise? A DONK BET HERE IS VERY SUSPICIOUS AND GENERALLY MEANS STRENGTH, AK AT THE LEAST. I WANTED TO REASSESS WHETHER HE HAD KK/88/TT BEFORE I BLOAT THE POT. BY THE RIVER IT BECAME PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT HE HAD AK SO I FIGURED I'D REP A BUSTED DRAW. HE SAID "AK NO GOOD" AND FOLDED.

Jay67s

09-05-2006, 12:04 AM

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1 - Looks good
2 - Why the raise to $150, are you trying to chase out draws??? You don't want to scare off the opponent and thats not a draw heavy flop. I would raise to $100-$110
3. Looks good
4. Why the 2x pot raise??? -- not saying its bad just want to know what you are thinking
5. I like the river, thats something I should do more
6. Worried about the donk bet?? I would like to hear your thoughts on your line?

Renton

09-05-2006, 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay67s

Why the 2x pot raise??? -- not saying its bad just want to know what you are thinking

its actually a standard pot sized raise, the same for your other question about raise size.

In the QQ hand I agree though, i showed a little too much strength.

TerryToma

09-05-2006, 12:25 AM

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1. how bout 3 bet to 200$ instead of 289.. then just push riv
2. bet the flop
3. looks fine, 112$ on the turn looks a bit peculiar, maybe just 100 or 110$ 112$ shows you are thinking a lot about your bet. (unless you were just using the party slider)
4. i like it
5. i like to bet my 2 pair hands like this a lot harder on the turn than just a minraise. i minraise when i know i have them, and trying to keep them on the hook. i'd be more inclined to push this than hand 1.
6. this line is very foreign to me/beyond me. i hate calling down with AA.

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09-05-2006, 05:51 PM

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hand 1: standard
hand 2: standard
hand 3: standard
hand 4: standard
hand 5: standard
hand 6: mm.. i want to say standard.

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09-05-2006, 07:07 PM

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i hate turn c/mr on #5

Renton

09-05-2006, 07:18 PM

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rofl i know it was actually a misclick

BankItDrew

09-05-2006, 10:25 PM

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Hand 1: Only a gutshot straight or quads will hurt you on the turn. Only a set, TP, or an overpair will be following your lead here. Bet much much less or check.

Hand 2: Minraise. Only a set will get it all in here (which is very unlikely as his holdings). A set will also get it all in on the turn if no heart falls. So, worst case scenerio: he has 12 outs. If none fall on the turn, you can do all of the pushing you like.

Hand 3: I don't mind the $112 here at all. Maybe he would have called for $99 instead?

Hand 4: Pot it.

Hand 5: Nice.

Hand 6: Good good. I know you are repping diamond diamon here, but I prefer minraising the turn here.

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09-05-2006, 10:51 PM

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Miff likes to check/raise all in on hand 1 on the river after calling the turn. Im getting paid a lot at 200nl and 400nl playing a hand this strong that way.

hand3.
I have had to think about how i want to play this type of hand. If we bet turn and opp has say a mid pp he isnt going to call here a lot imo unless weve shown we'll bluff of a stack on missed overs on the right board. Similarlily, our hand is well hidden so checking the turn actually looks like a hand we might represent eg missed overs. Again, i might check/call here if i feel opp has something he might want to showdown or go for the c/r if i feel opp will bet say a flush draw behind once we show weakness with suspected missed overs.

i tend to raise the turn on 6, but ill do it with AQ as well depending on how often i want to steal this pot and how often i want paid by a station.

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09-05-2006, 11:32 PM

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1. Juice the pot pre-flop. You don't have to c-bet.
2. Bet the flop, you're shutting out your action. Give someone else a chance to put on a squeeze.
3. *yawn*
4. *yawn*
5. I c/r the turn all-in
6. Shove turn

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Renton

09-06-2006, 12:21 AM

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btw just cuz i posted these hands don't necessarily mean i didn't get paid, I am pretty sure i won stacks in around half of these hands.

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