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Old 03-15-2006, 05:07 AM     Post subject: Wise raise? #1 (permalink)  
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I had a strong feeling this guy missed the flop since he raised strong preflop. I was 99% certain it was just a [overly] large continuation bet to scare us out of the pot.

My main question is if this is a wise idea with the amount of people in the pot. (should i only risk it vs 1-2 opponents?) And was the raise too small/large?

PokerStars Game #4293433437: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2006/03/15 - 01:00:04 (ET)
Table 'Euanthe IV' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zeblunt ($5.52 in chips)
Seat 2: azureXsmurF ($4.99 in chips)
Seat 3: RoyalPainter ($6.33 in chips)
Seat 4: southernmann ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 5: carterfamily ($11.27 in chips)
Seat 6: markatmsum ($3.53 in chips)
Seat 7: ïM $o LuCKy ($4.54 in chips)
Seat 8: gringobonk ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 9: skoolyrat ($1.84 in chips)
southernmann: posts small blind $0.01
carterfamily: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to azureXsmurF [Kc Qs]
markatmsum: calls $0.02
ïM $o LuCKy: folds
gringobonk: folds
skoolyrat: calls $0.02
Zeblunt: raises $0.08 to $0.10
azureXsmurF: calls $0.10
RoyalPainter: calls $0.10
southernmann: folds
markatmsum said, "what is your flop percentage royal?"
carterfamily: folds
markatmsum: calls $0.08
skoolyrat: calls $0.08
*** FLOP *** [9c 9s Td]
markatmsum: checks
skoolyrat: checks
Zeblunt: bets $0.40
azureXsmurF: raises $0.99 to $1.39
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Old 03-15-2006, 12:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Fold pre-flop, KQo is not a hand you want to be calling raises with.

Fold the flop, would you have called a raise with a 9? I'd play AA/KK same as villian and push in a heartbeat.
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 why are we bluffing into smallish multiway pots with garbage?
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Old 03-15-2006, 06:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1) Don't play KQo
2) What hands are you beating on the flop? KJ at best = Fold.


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 Only play KQ offsuit in an unraised pot.

Theres a thread about this from yesterday in the Holdem Strategies section.
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 oh yeah.

and don't bluff at 5nl.

Ever. Ever. Ever.

you can make 20+ptbb/100 just by set farming and raising AK at these levels.
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Fold pre-flop, KQo is not a hand you want to be calling raises with.
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1) Don't play KQo
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Only play KQ offsuit in an unraised pot.
Don't make me come over there. If you fold KQo every time a pot is raised, then you're losing out on a lot of value against opponents who are making a shitload of mistakes before and after the flop. I'm almost certain this table is offering up some bad opponents. You gotta stop folding KQo to a raise on principle. It's just incorrect. There's a lot of money to be won. Preflop in cash game is merely a barometer of ranges. Ranges which are inherently weaker against bad opponents.

You fold KQo to a raise in an aggressive game, against skilled opponents who are less inclined to make a lot of preflop and postflop mistakes. On this table, you'll have a hand where A8 offsuit will raise, you'll call with KQ, and someone behind you will call with Q4. The flop will come out Q high, and you'll empty the stack of Q4. It happens all the time. Think about it as the bad players paying you to occasionally lose money to a domination.

If you're in a game where the villains raising range is AJs+, and everyone else's calling range is AQ+, then you of course fold KQo every time. This is not that game.

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oh yeah, and don't bluff at 5nl. Ever. Ever. Ever. You can make 20+ptbb/100 just by set farming and raising AK at these levels.
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