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Old 07-24-2008, 12:45 PM     Post subject: This is why QQ is not a winner for me #1 (permalink)  
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Button ($18.60)
SB ($5.75)
BB ($1.80)
Hero ($10.20)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($18.60)
MP3 ($10.30)
CO ($4.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises to $0.4, UTG+1 raises to $1.4, 7 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($2.95) 3, A, A (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $2.3, Hero calls $1.30.

Turn: ($7.55) K (2 players)
Hero bets $6.5 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $6.15 (All-In).

River: ($20.20) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $19.85
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 because you play it horribly?
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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dont donk bet into pfr. I raised these small bets like its my job
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because you play it horribly?
Yeah that's the point of the thread
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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because you play it horribly?
Yeah that's the point of the thread
So do you want us to point out what you did wrong or do you want to do that yourself?? In other words do you want help here or is this just a self deprecating post?

Oh well, no matter. I'll bite.

Don't min raise flop, leading the flop is bad but not horrible as you should know where you stand unless he just calls which still tells you enough. From that point on I put no more money into this pot unless a queen hits.

The turn bet made me throw up a little in my mouth.

Edit- Me saying "as you should know where you stand " ALSO made me throw up a little in my mouth when I reread my post.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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So here's my question:
what is my line here, check/fold flop?
check/call flop?

what is the plan for this hand?
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:02 PM #7 (permalink)  
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So here's my question:
what is my line here, check/fold flop?
check/call flop?

what is the plan for this hand?
what do you know about your opponent?
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:09 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop.
 
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Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop.
Fold pre-flop?? Really?? I don't see that as an option.
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:52 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop.
Fold pre-flop?? Really?? I don't see that as an option.
At this level most players are weak/passive types. 3bets usually indicate strong hands like AA/KK/AK, probaly more weighted to AA/KK at this level especially without any specific reads. It's a marginal call for set implied odds, so it is possibly a fold pre.

If you do call, this is ok to bet/fold, c/c or even c/f. I give up on the turn when the K pops as there are just too many hands ur behind in a 3b pot.

b/c and shoving turn is like the worst line you could take
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:06 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:03 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 either check-fold or bet-fold the flop. I prefer bet-fold, but bet $2.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:33 PM #14 (permalink)  
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if you play any hands like this you will not be a winner. what the fuck were you thinking?
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if you play any hands like this you will not be a winner. what the fuck were you thinking?
I was thinking about going back to limit
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:44 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
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It's 10nl, wtf.
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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
no
It's 10nl, wtf.
yeah they only 3 bet huge hands
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:59 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
no
It's 10nl, wtf.
1) Hero is UTG

2) 3better is UTG+1

3) no reads given

getting it in preflop would be pretty atrocius


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Old 07-25-2008, 04:18 AM #20 (permalink)  
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i hope this is a bluff. if it is a bluff.....it's probably not the best time for it.

(assuming this player is a quarter decent)
I probably c/c flop. c/f turn. Reason being..he won't fire the turn with anything worse then qq.
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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
no
It's 10nl, wtf.
1) Hero is UTG

2) 3better is UTG+1

3) no reads given

getting it in preflop would be pretty atrocius
That is why I said depending on the opponent, it is a shove or a fold. I am not playing poker with QQ, I am either way ahead here or way behind, and that guides my decision at $10NL.
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I am not playing poker with QQ, I am either way ahead here or way behind, and that guides my decision at $10NL.
i dont understand how this makes it push/fold preflop; is this so that all worse hands fold and better hands call?

I guess this is what I get for opening this thread...


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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA so it's either a fold PF or a call. If we call PF, then we hope to control the pot size and keep JJ/TT in if those are possible 3-betting hands.

This is why what I did was retarded, is that whatever hand calls my turn bet is better, and whatever hand folds is worse.
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA .
not true at any limit
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peel, c/f turn.

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Old 07-25-2008, 12:10 PM #26 (permalink)  
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c/f on the flop if the guy C-bet big but c/c his small bet.On the turn, we gotta fold if he fires the second barrel. Also, I dont mind folding QQ preflop if UTG1 villain is an uber nit Anyways, small Donkbet into preflop 3 bettor in this situation is pretty bad LMAO.
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA .
not true at any limit
Well, I'm talking about people who buy in for the max. You can tell who the people who are stacking off with JTo are by their tiny stack.
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Just a quick filter of some hands at $5NL-$25NL from last april and may when I restarted at $5NL to change my game. This is where I got it in pre and they had NOT AA KK AND AK with stacks of over 90BB's

***** Hand History for Game 3285503951 *****
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 26, 03:16:29 ET 2008
Table Jipe14 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: vasakez ( $9.45 USD )
Seat 2: tarantula111 ( $19.95 USD )
Seat 3: eraser ( $21.55 USD )
Seat 4: _DrAzTiK_ ( $50.64 USD )
Seat 5: iwannabegabe ( $33.85 USD )
Seat 6: Dr_Smile ( $26.95 USD )
vasakez posts small blind [$0.15 USD].
tarantula111 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
Dealt to iwannabegabe [ Kc Ad ]
** Dealing down cards **
eraser folds
_DrAzTiK_ folds
iwannabegabe raises [$0.90 USD]
Dr_Smile raises [$1.55 USD]
vasakez folds
tarantula111 folds
iwannabegabe raises [$4.15 USD]
Dr_Smile raises [$14.00 USD]
iwannabegabe raises [$28.80 USD]
Dr_Smile calls [$11.40 USD]
iwannabegabe wins $6.90 USD
iwannabegabe shows [Kc, Ad ]
Dr_Smile shows [Qh, Qs ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6s, Ah ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
iwannabegabe wins $51.60 USD from main pot


***** Hand History for Game 3285500098 *****
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 26, 03:11:46 ET 2008
Table Jipe8 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: realdeal4 ( $13.98 USD )
Seat 3: margnata ( $10.00 USD )
Seat 6: iwannabegabe ( $33.90 USD )
iwannabegabe posts small blind [$0.15 USD].
realdeal4 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
Dealt to iwannabegabe [ Th Ts ]
** Dealing down cards **
iwannabegabe raises [$0.60 USD]
realdeal4 raises [$2.00 USD]
iwannabegabe raises [$22.40 USD]
realdeal4 folds
iwannabegabe wins $20.90 USD
iwannabegabe wins $4.50 USD from main pot



***** Hand History for Game 3252292165 *****
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 18, 07:00:20 ET 2008
Table Mahodand9 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: slimmerik ( $25.15 USD )
Seat 3: baloobillyz ( $28.30 USD )
Seat 4: iwannabegabe ( $36.75 USD )
Seat 5: Brellie ( $25.30 USD )
Seat 6: janus2007 ( $21.25 USD )
slimmerik posts small blind [$0.15 USD].
baloobillyz posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
Dealt to iwannabegabe [ Ah Ad ]
** Dealing down cards **
iwannabegabe raises [$0.90 USD]
Brellie raises [$2.95 USD]
janus2007 folds
slimmerik folds
baloobillyz folds
iwannabegabe raises [$8.35 USD]
Brellie raises [$22.35 USD]
iwannabegabe raises [$27.50 USD]
iwannabegabe wins $11.45 USD
iwannabegabe shows [Ah, Ad ]
Brellie shows [Qh, Qc ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, Kh, 5s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
iwannabegabe wins $49.00 USD from main pot





***** Hand History for Game 16999382904 *****
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 26, 02:28:44 ET 2008
Table Dvorak IV (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Franky2009 ( $12.30 USD )
Seat 3: trainer_jyms ( $27.20 USD )
Seat 4: BlueAdept69 ( $9.35 USD )
Seat 5: redntim ( $13.80 USD )
Seat 6: CHEFSKLASSE ( $12.25 USD )
BlueAdept69 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
redntim posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Js Jh ]
CHEFSKLASSE folds
Franky2009 raises [$0.30 USD]
trainer_jyms raises [$1.00 USD]
BlueAdept69 folds
redntim folds
Franky2009 raises [$12.00 USD]
trainer_jyms calls [$11.30 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 4c, Qh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Franky2009 shows [Jc, Jd ]
trainer_jyms shows [Js, Jh ]
Franky2009 wins $11.80 USD from main pot
trainer_jyms wins $11.75 USD from main pot


***** Hand History for Game 16974503060 *****
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, April 25, 12:10:29 ET 2008
Table Vega (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: elEv8meL8eR ( $10.00 USD )
Seat 2: midnightap ( $6.25 USD )
Seat 3: Bigdal25 ( $9.90 USD )
Seat 4: -rawkiwi- ( $13.65 USD )
Seat 5: trainer_jyms ( $11.70 USD )
Seat 6: Hawk015 ( $10.95 USD )
Bigdal25 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
-rawkiwi- posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Ah Ad ]
trainer_jyms raises [$0.40 USD]
Hawk015 calls [$0.40 USD]
elEv8meL8eR folds
midnightap folds
Bigdal25 folds
-rawkiwi- raises [$0.90 USD]
trainer_jyms raises [$1.80 USD]
Hawk015 folds
-rawkiwi- raises [$12.65 USD]
trainer_jyms calls [$9.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, Td, 4d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
-rawkiwi- shows [As, Qc ]
trainer_jyms shows [Ah, Ad ]
trainer_jyms wins $22.70 USD from main pot
-rawkiwi- wins $1.95 USD from main pot


***** Hand History for Game 16974176759 *****
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 24, 11:51:17 ET 2008
Table Altair IV (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: BobbySquints ( $10.00 USD )
Seat 2: trainer_jyms ( $9.90 USD )
Seat 3: DJCommie ( $12.30 USD )
Seat 4: PKS Ace ( $19.75 USD )
Seat 5: Stroll75 ( $5.25 USD )
Seat 6: QuantumBeing ( $9.20 USD )
trainer_jyms posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
DJCommie posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ As Ad ]
PKS Ace raises [$0.50 USD]
Stroll75 calls [$0.50 USD]
QuantumBeing folds
BobbySquints folds
trainer_jyms raises [$1.25 USD]
DJCommie folds
PKS Ace raises [$5.30 USD]
Stroll75 folds
trainer_jyms raises [$8.60 USD]
PKS Ace calls [$4.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Th, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
trainer_jyms shows [As, Ad ]
PKS Ace shows [Qc, Qs ]
PKS Ace wins $19.40 USD from main pot


***** Hand History for Game 16960413275 *****
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 24, 12:42:25 ET 2008
Table Eudora II (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Jacklala ( $3.30 USD )
Seat 2: BonScott80 ( $10.70 USD )
Seat 3: ihvpoker ( $11.30 USD )
Seat 4: mukzR ( $10.00 USD )
Seat 5: Riquelvin ( $4.85 USD )
Seat 6: trainer_jyms ( $12.20 USD )
ihvpoker posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
mukzR posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Ks Kc ]
Riquelvin folds
trainer_jyms raises [$0.40 USD]
Jacklala folds
BonScott80 raises [$1.20 USD]
ihvpoker calls [$1.15 USD]
mukzR folds
trainer_jyms raises [$11.80 USD]
BonScott80 calls [$9.50 USD]
ihvpoker folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 2s, 8s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
trainer_jyms shows [Ks, Kc ]
trainer_jyms wins $21.60 USD from main pot
BonScott80 doesn't show [Ts, Ac ]
trainer_jyms wins $1.50 USD from main pot



***** Hand History for Game 16880019478 *****
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, April 20, 10:27:41 ET 2008
Table Hapag IV (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: shaggybird ( $2.95 USD )
Seat 2: rico1972 ( $10.05 USD )
Seat 3: PeterQuint ( $7.55 USD )
Seat 4: mountain7 ( $23.70 USD )
Seat 5: Cardini 23 ( $13.05 USD )
Seat 6: Jonche ( $5.65 USD )
Seat 7: trainer_jyms ( $9.85 USD )
Seat 8: allstar3004 ( $18.85 USD )
Seat 9: Paddex II ( $9.45 USD )
PeterQuint posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
mountain7 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Ks Kd ]
Cardini 23 folds
Jonche calls [$0.10 USD]
trainer_jyms raises [$0.50 USD]
allstar3004 folds
Paddex II raises [$1.30 USD]
shaggybird folds
rico1972 folds
PeterQuint folds
mountain7 folds
Jonche calls [$1.20 USD]
trainer_jyms raises [$9.35 USD]
Paddex II folds
Jonche folds
trainer_jyms wins $4.05 USD from main pot
trainer_jyms wins $8.55 USD from main pot




**** Hand History for Game 16854629074 *****
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 19, 10:21:49 ET 2008
Table Orthos (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: looneyhockey ( $6.00 USD )
Seat 2: J.Siv ( $9.80 USD )
Seat 3: flos6666 ( $4.57 USD )
Seat 4: Spigmo ( $6.20 USD )
Seat 5: trainer_jyms ( $10.68 USD )
Seat 6: Nerovski ( $10.20 USD )
Seat 7: Barkley 76 ( $4.95 USD )
Seat 8: dryath ( $5.93 USD )
Spigmo posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
trainer_jyms posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
looneyhockey posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Kh Ac ]
Nerovski folds
Barkley 76 raises [$0.15 USD]
dryath folds
looneyhockey calls [$0.10 USD]
J.Siv folds
flos6666 folds
Spigmo calls [$0.13 USD]
trainer_jyms raises [$0.45 USD]
Barkley 76 raises [$4.80 USD]
looneyhockey calls [$4.80 USD]
Spigmo folds
trainer_jyms calls [$4.45 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8d, 4s ]
trainer_jyms checks
looneyhockey checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
trainer_jyms checks
looneyhockey checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
trainer_jyms checks
looneyhockey checks
trainer_jyms shows [Kh, Ac ]
Barkley 76 shows [Qs, Qh ]
Barkley 76 wins $14.25 USD from main pot
looneyhockey doesn't show [4d, As ]


***** Hand History for Game 16817613054 *****
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, April 18, 12:00:17 ET 2008
Table Meges V (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: LayerCake31 ( $14.46 USD )
Seat 2: bobholger67 ( $3.42 USD )
Seat 3: bluenose1178 ( $7.54 USD )
Seat 4: shrimp&amp;wwine ( $9.93 USD )
Seat 6: superjosep ( $4.85 USD )
Seat 7: xopopo ( $3.96 USD )
Seat 8: welsher1 ( $2.79 USD )
Seat 9: trainer_jyms ( $17.94 USD )
superjosep posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
xopopo posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Jd Jc ]
welsher1 folds
trainer_jyms raises [$0.25 USD]
LayerCake31 folds
bobholger67 raises [$0.90 USD]
bluenose1178 folds
shrimp&amp;wwine folds
superjosep folds
xopopo folds
trainer_jyms raises [$5.45 USD]
bobholger67 calls [$2.52 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 5d, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
trainer_jyms shows [Jd, Jc ]
trainer_jyms wins $6.61 USD from main pot
bobholger67 doesn't show [8s, 8c ]
trainer_jyms wins $2.28 USD from main pot


***** Hand History for Game 16800129214 *****
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 17, 04:28:13 ET 2008
Table Arete (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: 1000kaAa ( $8.35 USD )
Seat 2: Skarald ( $10.42 USD )
Seat 3: live247 ( $5.72 USD )
Seat 4: ARAZ76 ( $30.60 USD )
Seat 9: trainer_jyms ( $18.82 USD )
Skarald posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
live247 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trainer_jyms [ Qc Qh ]
ARAZ76 folds
trainer_jyms raises [$0.20 USD]
1000kaAa raises [$8.35 USD]
Skarald folds
live247 folds
trainer_jyms calls [$8.15 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 6c, 3s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
trainer_jyms shows [Qc, Qh ]
trainer_jyms wins $15.97 USD from main pot
1000kaAa doesn't show [6h, 6s ]
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Grats? AKo is a big loser for me because of stacking off PF.
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA .
not true at any limit
Well, I'm talking about people who buy in for the max. You can tell who the people who are stacking off with JTo are by their tiny stack.
still not true at any limit - i won't bother posting hands to prove it though.
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not true at any limit
Well, I'm talking about people who buy in for the max. You can tell who the people who are stacking off with JTo are by their tiny stack.
still not true at any limit - i won't bother posting hands to prove it though.
I doubt it's EV+ to shove with queens
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA .
not true at any limit
Well, I'm talking about people who buy in for the max. You can tell who the people who are stacking off with JTo are by their tiny stack.
still not true at any limit - i won't bother posting hands to prove it though.
I doubt it's EV+ to shove with queens
lol what the fuck do you know about +EV
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jyms has a spectacular aura aboutjyms has a spectacular aura aboutjyms has a spectacular aura about
 So then we assume that all 3 bets from early positions then are AA, KK and AK? and if so, why are we calling a 3 bet with QQ? I would love for someone to explain this concept to me. I am not trying to be an ass, am I that far off base?

I see a 3 bet range as most likely JJ+ and AK. That tells me that we are 47% and with money in the pot we are ahead enough to get it in.

What do we do on a J high flop? What do we do on an A or K high flop? how about all unders?
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA .
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Well, I'm talking about people who buy in for the max. You can tell who the people who are stacking off with JTo are by their tiny stack.
still not true at any limit - i won't bother posting hands to prove it though.
I doubt it's EV+ to shove with queens
Better to wait to shove the Q's until there are 2 A's and a K on the board. Then shove the shit out of them. LOL

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So then we assume that all 3 bets from early positions then are AA, KK and AK? and if so, why are we calling a 3 bet with QQ? I would love for someone to explain this concept to me. I am not trying to be an ass, am I that far off base?

I see a 3 bet range as most likely JJ+ and AK. That tells me that we are 47% and with money in the pot we are ahead enough to get it in.

What do we do on a J high flop? What do we do on an A or K high flop? how about all unders?
I mean most shoves are mostly AA/KK/AK
I'm trying to call so that possible 3 bet hands that are weaker don't fold to a shove while stronger call

I made a mistake post-flop of course, but I know this
I'm not advertising that this is the best way to play QQ

but I'm down about 50 bucks shoving AK preflop
I realize QQ is stronger in all-in situations except against KK but is it the OPTIMAL play to shove PF?
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 actually u made 3 mistakes postflop. out of 3 total actions
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I doubt it's EV+ to shove with queens
in a vacuum, this is correct.

But EV calculations involve ranges - I think ranges and position are two of the most important concepts in poker (obviously pot-odds, bet-sizing etc. are also important) If you want to talk EV, time to talk ranges - see Jyms' post...

also, seems like you're choosing bad spots to shove AK pre-flop.

anyway, you played one hand badly. You recognise that and seem to have learnt from it. Time for another hand!
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So then we assume that all 3 bets from early positions then are AA, KK and AK? and if so, why are we calling a 3 bet with QQ? I would love for someone to explain this concept to me. I am not trying to be an ass, am I that far off base?

I see a 3 bet range as most likely JJ+ and AK. That tells me that we are 47% and with money in the pot we are ahead enough to get it in.

What do we do on a J high flop? What do we do on an A or K high flop? how about all unders?
1) set mine

2) his 3bet range is jj+ and AK, but he's not calling a 4bet with that range; even then a lot of players wont 3bet JJ-QQ or AK in this spot which is why reads matter.

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Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop.
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getting it in preflop would be pretty atrocius
1) It's 10nl
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What is QQ worth when reraised preflop?

A hand I played a while back, I was dealt QQ in late position.
Pot raised to 4BB (£4).
I raised to 10. Villain re-raised me to £30, and I shoved.

I guess what I'm asking is what do you do with QQ when you get heat preflop? Is it a good hand to go all-in on like KK/AA?
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