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Old 11-16-2004, 12:32 PM     Post subject: Why not to overbet big hands preflop in NL ring games #1 (permalink)  
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This is the fastest I have ever played AA because I knew I'd get called. Tight player that I had barely seen play any hands bets 7xBB in early position. Can anyone say high pocket pair?! If you give a read this obvious, anyone that has or hits a better hand can take your stack so easily.

I almost shoved all in preflop as I figured he had KK and would probably call, but I also figured that may be the only way he gets away from it, besides an ace hitting on the flop.

PokerStars Game #863213470: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2004/11/16 - 08:19:02 (ET)
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Table 'Terradas' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: The Dream ($970 in chips)
Seat 3: manilow ($424 in chips)
Seat 4: Hasselbeck ($400 in chips)
Seat 5: soora ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: deucebiggie ($2704.70 in chips)
Seat 7: SHANI ($2153.75 in chips)
Seat 8: michael1123 ($1367 in chips)
Seat 9: xx TaxMan xx ($1047 in chips)
SHANI: posts small blind $5
michael1123: posts big blind $10
RocKs0liD: sits out
Hasselbeck: posts big blind $10
soora: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [As Ah]
xx TaxMan xx: folds
The Dream: raises $60 to $70
manilow: folds
Hasselbeck: folds
soora: folds
deucebiggie: folds
SHANI: folds
michael1123: raises $130 to $200
The Dream: calls $130
*** FLOP *** [2c 4h 8c]
michael1123: bets $200
The Dream: calls $200
*** TURN *** [2c 4h 8c] [2d]
michael1123: bets $967 and is all-in
The Dream: calls $570 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2c 4h 8c 2d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
michael1123: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
The Dream: mucks hand
michael1123 collected $1962 from pot
michael1123 said, "whew, it was KK and not QQ"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1965 | Rake $3
Board [2c 4h 8c 2d Qs]
Seat 1: The Dream mucked [6s 8d] - two pair, Eights and Deuces
Seat 3: manilow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hasselbeck folded before Flop
Seat 5: soora folded before Flop
Seat 6: deucebiggie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: SHANI (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: michael1123 (big blind) showed [As Ah] and won ($1962) with two pair,
Aces and Deuces
Seat 9: xx TaxMan xx folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Anyway, another good reason to keep your preflop bets consistent and not try to "protect" your big hands preflop. Giving away that you have a big hand not only limits how much you can make by scaring off dominated hands but it also sets yourself up to get your clock cleaned by better hands.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Your analysis is very helpful, but he hasn't got a high pocket pair. Is this the right history?
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My god I would shit my pants if I ever won a pot that big. Nice work!!!!!!
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Your analysis is very helpful, but he hasn't got a high pocket pair. Is this the right history?
hahahaha, oh my god. He said afterwards he had KK and I just took his word for it and didn't even look at the history ... wow, what a moron ...

Well ... he played it like KK so pretend it is!
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:12 PM #5 (permalink)  
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So Pokerstars shows you what they had even though they "mucked"? I thought that mucking meant that no one else would be able to see the cards. Oh well, I guess some sites let you and some sites don't.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:27 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Pokerstars doesn't show the cards at the table even when the players all in sadly (unless they're the one that did the betting), except in tournaments. But the hand histories do show what they had as long as the hand reached a showdown.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:55 AM #7 (permalink)  
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If a person mucks at showdown you have every right to know what they have. If you are in a casino and they muck, you can ask the dealer to show them, as long as they mucked at the showdown.
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Old 11-17-2004, 03:23 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 So if I requested a hand history of a guy who mucked at showdown it would show me what he had? I play at stars as well.
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Old 11-17-2004, 03:34 AM #9 (permalink)  
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If you win and your opponent mucks, you can see what he had in hand history, that is if you were in a showdown.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:03 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Holy smokes....talk about a bluff gone horribly wrong. I can't believe he called your preflop reraise...unless he was setting up to try and steal later. But to then call your $200 lead out and your all in.
Why oh why can't I find people so willing to to give away thier money like that. Anyway, good job and kudos for grabbing that monster pot as well.
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