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Old 09-23-2005, 03:25 AM     Post subject: Why ABC poker pays at 100 NL and below #1 (permalink)  
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Ive seen a lot of discussion on whether to bluff or not at 100 NL and below.. well I think I can safely say its a bad idea after this hand: i mean what was this guy thinking?!?

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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 22, 23:20:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 37361 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: jrumley316 ( $113.05 )
Seat 2: Kingfish__ ( $94 )
Seat 3: obarks ( $92.55 )
Seat 4: DexLakeClub ( $160.80 )
Seat 7: ZHOU888 ( $49.45 )
Seat 9: sammytwo ( $110.55 )
Seat 10: Tehran ( $86.80 )
Seat 5: bayoakbldr ( $114.10 )
Seat 6: guitar123 ( $27 )
jrumley316 posts small blind [$0.50].
Kingfish__ posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kingfish__ [ Kc Jc ]
obarks folds.
DexLakeClub folds.
bayoakbldr folds.
guitar123 folds.
ZHOU888 folds.
sammytwo calls [$1].
Tehran folds.
jrumley316 folds.
Kingfish__ checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 3c, Kd ]
Kingfish__ checks.
sammytwo bets [$3].
Kingfish__ raises [$8].
sammytwo calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
Kingfish__ checks.
sammytwo bets [$10].
Kingfish__ raises [$25].
sammytwo calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
Kingfish__ is all-In [$60]
sammytwo calls [$60].
Kingfish__ shows [ Kc, Jc ] a flush, king high.
sammytwo shows [ Kh, 9d ] a straight, nine to king.
Kingfish__ wins $185.50 from the main pot with a flush, king high.
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Old 09-23-2005, 03:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Fish thinking:

Flop- "I have top pair. haha. I own that blind. I'll bet. What; he raises? haha. He thinks he can bluff me off of this king?"

Turn- "He checked to me again. He can't possibly have anything. I'll bet a good portion of the pot. Woah, he raised. Eh; I still think he has nothing, and after all, I still have TPTK (wait; what does TK mean? eh. I've seen it used on FTR and 2+2 and stuff, so it must mean something)."

River - "He's all in. He's so full of it...well, I'll call with top pair. [showdown] Ah...crap, he has two pair. Wait...why are the chips going my direction? Oh hey! I have a straight. Woohoo!"

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Old 09-23-2005, 03:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Fish thinking:

Flop- "I have top pair. haha. I own that blind. I'll bet. What; he raises? haha. He thinks he can bluff me off of this king?"

Turn- "He checked to me again. He can't possibly have anything. I'll bet a good portion of the pot. Woah, he raised. Eh; I still think he has nothing, and after all, I still have TPTK (wait; what does TK mean? eh. I've seen it used on FTR and 2+2 and stuff, so it must mean something)."

River - "He's all in. He's so full of it...well, I'll call with top pair. [showdown] Ah...crap, he has two pair. Wait...why are the chips going my direction? Oh hey! I have a straight. Woohoo!"

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End fish thinking. :P
I won the hand not him. I did have two pair but I had a flush draw too that caught on the river.
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Old 09-23-2005, 04:45 AM #4 (permalink)  
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dammit...

uh...

crap.

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Old 09-23-2005, 04:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Fish thinking:

Flop- "I have top pair. haha. I own that blind. I'll bet. What; he raises? haha. He thinks he can bluff me off of this king?"

Turn- "He checked to me again. He can't possibly have anything. I'll bet a good portion of the pot. Woah, he raised. Eh; I still think he has nothing, and after all, I still have TPTK (wait; what does TK mean? eh. I've seen it used on FTR and 2+2 and stuff, so it must mean something)."

River - "He's all in. He's so full of it...well, I'll call with top pair. [showdown] Ah...crap, he has two pair. I lost."

...

a few seconds later

"wait a second...he had a flush. I REALLY lost."

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End fish thinking. :P

edited, to provide for the outcome that Spino1i wins. Is that better? :P

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Old 09-23-2005, 05:00 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I bluff a fair amount at $100 NL, but there still are lots of players who are pretty dumb and will call you down with crap.

Basically, if your opponent has top pair, the hand is usually going to a showdown unless you fold.
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:07 AM #7 (permalink)  
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is this meant to be ironic?
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Old 09-23-2005, 03:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You had the luxury of completely concealing your flush draw here. Top pair good kicker + Flush draw gives you that luxury. It became your "fall back plan" if you will to hit a flush. From his perspective, when you pushed on the river it looked VERY bluffy after earlier action. He's sitting there with a straight set up like a bad date. He has to believe it's good. I think you would have raped me as well in this hand if I was your opponent. I never would have believed you had a flush, especially with the turn raise after the flop raise. It just further removes the flush possibility unless you have top pair good kicker AND a flush draw, which you did. No read you bleed. He certainly did.
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Old 09-23-2005, 04:14 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You had the luxury of completely concealing your flush draw here. Top pair good kicker + Flush draw gives you that luxury. It became your "fall back plan" if you will to hit a flush. From his perspective, when you pushed on the river it looked VERY bluffy after earlier action. He's sitting there with a straight set up like a bad date. He has to believe it's good. I think you would have raped me as well in this hand if I was your opponent. I never would have believed you had a flush, especially with the turn raise after the flop raise. It just further removes the flush possibility unless you have top pair good kicker AND a flush draw, which you did. No read you bleed. He certainly did.
I think it's the fact that he's calling two check-raises with top pair with a lame kicker (not to mention playing K-9 to begin with).
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