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Old 06-29-2006, 12:05 AM     Post subject: when to push? #1 (permalink)  
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Another area I am struggling with is the timing of the play below. I wanted to appear as if I was stealing on the river. Is this a case where only better hands/split pots call? Should I just have value bet? Is it totally read dependent? Would betting the turn set up the river push better? I don't think I am repping AA here....

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($24.60)
SB ($5.35)
BB ($28.55)
UTG ($20.90)
UTG+1 ($39.05)
UTG+2 ($26.25)
MP1 ($25.65)
MP2 ($15.25)
Hero ($30.85)
CO ($43.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) Q, 9, Q (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $1, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2.

Turn: ($8) 9 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($8) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $27.6 (All-In), MP1 folds.

Final Pot: $35.60

So how does this differ from this play? My guess is that he actually had a hand to call with, firstly, and that the board appeared nonthreatening.

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (Real Money), hand #654,172,932
Table Merida, 27 Jun 2006 11:37 PM ET



Seat 1: MeltedPixel ($37.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Giftpilz ($9.35 in chips)
Seat 3: knightpistol ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 4: thedr70 ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 5: yearight27 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 6: pokerhen ($32.05 in chips)
Seat 7: NoUse013 ($6.75 in chips)
Seat 8: VidaliaCID ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 9: c-man92 ($36.20 in chips)
Seat 10: dollabilla1 ($19.20 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
thedr70 posts blind ($0.15), yearight27 posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
pokerhen folds, NoUse013 folds, VidaliaCID folds, c-man92 bets $1, dollabilla1 folds, MeltedPixel folds, Giftpilz calls $1, knightpistol folds, thedr70 calls $0.85, yearight27 calls $0.75.

FLOP [board cards 9D,4H,5S ]
thedr70 checks, yearight27 checks, c-man92 checks, Giftpilz checks.

TURN [board cards 9D,4H,5S,3D ]
thedr70 bets $0.50, yearight27 folds, c-man92 calls $0.50, Giftpilz calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards 9D,4H,5S,3D,3C ]
thedr70 bets $1, c-man92 bets $34.70 and is all-in, Giftpilz folds, thedr70 calls $11.95 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
c-man92 shows [ 5C,5D ]
thedr70 shows [ JD,JC ]
c-man92 wins $21.75, c-man92 wins $30.90.



SUMMARY
Dealer: knightpistol
Pot: $53.15, (including rake: $0.50)
MeltedPixel, loses $0
Giftpilz, loses $1.50
knightpistol, loses $0
thedr70, loses $14.45
yearight27, loses $1
pokerhen, loses $0
NoUse013, loses $0
VidaliaCID, loses $0
c-man92, bets $36.20, collects $52.65, net $16.45
dollabilla1, loses $0
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Old 06-29-2006, 12:11 AM #2 (permalink)  
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try to get money in on the turns in both hands. try to rely on building big pots with big hands instead of hoping someone will call one of your huge overbets.
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Old 06-29-2006, 12:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Thank you for the input Gabe. Do you ever use that play or is it too transparent?
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usually it is a bluff against a good player, but some rare times i do stuff like that when i think the villian is getting suspicious of me and looking to make a call
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