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Greedo017
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04-11-2005, 05:44 AM
Post subject: when is laying aces ok?
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nl holdem .25/.50
hero is dealt A, A
hero posts BB
guy one raises .5 to 1 dollar
some folds
guy two calls
guy three calls
guy four calls
hero raises 4 dollars to 5 dollars
guy one calls
guy two calls
guy three folds
guy four folds
flop Q, 10, 10
Hero bets 12.50
guy one reraises 27.50 to 40 dollars and is all-in
guy three folds
Hero ?
I respect this guy as a solid player.
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Greedo017
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so let's say you're up against a guy you respect. not necessarily a great white, but you know he's not stupid/is a winning player. if a situation like this happened 100 times, what do you do?
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If the scenario and your read (the "situation") are identical each time, why would your action change no matter how many times it occurred?
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Greedo017
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hmm, i'm having trouble explaining what my question is. i guess its broader than i thought. basically, i'm just trying to adjust what the line is that will make me fold aces. looking back, i like my fold, but i would have won. There was only one hand he could have had that would've made him act like he did and still be losing, and i don't really think i could've anticipated him having it when he pushed.
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
hmm, i'm having trouble explaining what my question is. i guess its broader than i thought. basically, i'm just trying to adjust what the line is that will make me fold aces. looking back, i like my fold, but i would have won. There was only one hand he could have had that would've made him act like he did and still be losing, and i don't really think i could've anticipated him having it when he pushed.
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So he had AQ when you expected him to have 10 X or QQ. Note this for future situations and be more apt to call in this situation.
But I'd say against a solid but not super-tricky opponent, you have to dump this most of the time. Catching trips or 2 pair and forcing an overpair (especially AA!) all-in is how a lot of people make a lot of money.
Unfortunately, sometimes I don't take my own advice. I was destacked with QQ on a 885 flop this weekend. And somebody took another chunk when I had AA on a As 9s 4s flop. (The guy called a pre-flop raise with 8s 2s!).
(BTW, is your avatar a spinning piledriver?!? If not, you have issues to deal with.)
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Greedo017
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actually he had KK. and, i dunno, looking back i feel like it was a good fold, a lot of times i am going to be beat there, but its bugging me. i guess one bad read doesn't really mean anything, but i think doubling up is a great way to make money, as does everyone i'm sure, so everytime i miss a chance to i really want to make sure i did the right thing.
and, my avatar is obviously me piledriving a 5 year old, if your mind is wishing that the piledrivee was facing the other way, talk to bigred about that...
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
actually he had KK. and, i dunno, looking back i feel like it was a good fold, a lot of times i am going to be beat there, but its bugging me. i guess one bad read doesn't really mean anything, but i think doubling up is a great way to make money, as does everyone i'm sure, so everytime i miss a chance to i really want to make sure i did the right thing.
and, my avatar is obviously me piledriving a 5 year old, if your mind is wishing that the piledrivee was facing the other way, talk to bigred about that...
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I guess it was his preflop play that confused me. I usually reraise with KK, as I expect most people to do, unless they are trapping head's up (or they are a bad player).
Also, note that if he always goes all-in with AA or KK on a Q 10 10 board (or similar) and you fold, he will lose his stack when someone has a 10 and you won't.
Zangief piledrives men all day long ... but is all man, baby!
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Greedo017
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yes, that's why i didn't put him on that. the raise/call flop push made me think queens. i'm trying to think of excuses to have called. only thing i can think of, is that was a pretty big reraise. i would think if he had a monster, he would've called, and the only hands i was worried about were monsters.
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