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Old 04-23-2005, 06:03 AM     Post subject: when to lay down TP #1 (permalink)  
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Can someome tell me how to lay down TP correctly, I cannot seem to do it!

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CO ($31.2)
Hero ($34.45)
SB ($31.1)
BB ($132.1)
UTG ($31.55)
MP ($16.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.75, UTG calls $2.50, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $3.25, UTG calls $3.25.

Flop: ($18.10) 8, 9, Q (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $20, UTG folds, Hero raises to $28.45 (All-In), BB calls $8.45.

Turn: ($75) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($75) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $75
Main Pot: $75, between Hero and BB. > Pot won by BB ($75).

Results in white below:
BB has 8d 8c (three of a kind, eights).
Hero has Kc Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins $75.


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Button ($24.4)
Hero ($21.25)
BB ($34.25)
UTG ($39.4)
UTG+1 ($55.2)
UTG+2 ($31.75)
MP1 ($8.45)
MP2 ($23.7)
MP3 ($18.3)
CO ($8.7)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1.

Flop: ($4) 4, 7, K (3 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG+2 calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Turn: ($13) J (3 players)
Hero bets $7, UTG+2 raises to $20, MP3 calls $14.05 (All-In), Hero folds.

River: ($54.05) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.05
Main Pot: $48.10, between UTG+2 and MP3. > Pot won by UTG+2 ($48.10).
Pot 2: $5.95, returned to UTG+2.

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has 9c Kc (three of a kind, kings).
MP3 has 8h 2h (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $54.05.
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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In the first hand I just push on the flop.

In the second hand, I think you have to call out of pot odds unless you have a read.
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Old 04-23-2005, 08:51 AM #3 (permalink)  
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the first hand you are just losing that, its part of poker. the 2nd hand, seems like a weak raise preflop. Why raise 1.5 preflop with kings shorthanded with 1 limper and only 1.25 full tabled with 2 limpers ahead of you. You HAVE to get AK heads up you dont want to take both of them with you. Were you afraid of someone playing KJ and hitting 2 pair on the turn? The flop bet seems fine because you have the A of hearts and the heart redraw if a heart comes on the turn, but when the blank hits the turn in the jack of clubs its time to take the pot down right there 1/2 the pot isnt the way to do it. You told the table you had junk, UTG+2 read you for having junk and took your pot away like he was suppose to.
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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the first hand you are just losing that, its part of poker. the 2nd hand, seems like a weak raise preflop. Why raise 1.5 preflop with kings shorthanded with 1 limper and only 1.25 full tabled with 2 limpers ahead of you. You HAVE to get AK heads up you dont want to take both of them with you. Were you afraid of someone playing KJ and hitting 2 pair on the turn? The flop bet seems fine because you have the A of hearts and the heart redraw if a heart comes on the turn, but when the blank hits the turn in the jack of clubs its time to take the pot down right there 1/2 the pot isnt the way to do it. You told the table you had junk, UTG+2 read you for having junk and took your pot away like he was suppose to.

very good....

I sympathize with you however, I also consistently lose my chips when i have a top pair and someone hits a set. Usually I end up calling there all in due to pot odds, unless they are a really deep stack.
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Old 04-23-2005, 03:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand # 1, re-raise could set of alarms for AA. On the flop when you already projected power and he reraised you to $20 let it go. However, it could have turned into a good call if you read him for something like QQ or JJ.

Hand # 2, call b/c you were pots stuck.
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